The Indoor Riding/ Zwift/ TrainerRoad etc. Thread

Without seeing the exact mix of training, I'd say if you were doing a reasonable amount of hard stuff (anything above FTP) then you will see gains for 4 weeks or so but will start to stall after that point. They're very much "ice the cake" type sessions if you see your Z2 stuff as the actual cake mix! They're also mentally quite hard to keep up for a reasonable period of time. You could do a solid 3-4 week block of endurance work concluding with the Rapha 500 to target that element of your fitness. I'd be doing a mix of Z2 stuff (90-120 mins if possible) with some tempo/sweetspot sessions thrown in once or twice a week. A simple one is 2x30 min blocks, alternating 5 mins at tempo/5 mins at sweetspot with a 5 minute rest interval in between the blocks.
 
Without seeing the exact mix of training, I'd say if you were doing a reasonable amount of hard stuff (anything above FTP) then you will see gains for 4 weeks or so but will start to stall after that point. They're very much "ice the cake" type sessions if you see your Z2 stuff as the actual cake mix! They're also mentally quite hard to keep up for a reasonable period of time. You could do a solid 3-4 week block of endurance work concluding with the Rapha 500 to target that element of your fitness. I'd be doing a mix of Z2 stuff (90-120 mins if possible) with some tempo/sweetspot sessions thrown in once or twice a week. A simple one is 2x30 min blocks, alternating 5 mins at tempo/5 mins at sweetspot with a 5 minute rest interval in between the blocks.

I think I am set on doing Z2 + a Zwift race. I had planned Sunday off due to work, but also took Monday off the bike as my hamstrings were killing me from basically doing 9 hours of squats and lots of walking on Sunday. Today, despite being sore I felt better after my post work ride then I have in quite a while.
 
The Zwift Insider Tiny Races on Saturdays are incredibly popular, four short races within an hour, great for z4+ and recovery training.

Article about weekend just gone, typically we are told the routes around Wednesday before.

They've been very popular, lots of hype about them!

Also there's the new World Indoor Cycling Rankings (WICR) series. Seems to have had a popular start and exploded so the organiser struggled and round #2 in December had less races so it might not expand much more until he gets some help. Lots of people who got bored of ZRL seem to be riding it so it's got very competitive. https://worldicr.com - Riders are able to dip in and out as they want to, the points going towards their club.

I'm just about to start the DiRT series as a mini stage race (6 races in 20th - 3rd Jan), actually riding NOT with R3R again (with TBR). The days I'm racing with R3R tags could be numbered. Best group and endurance rides on Zwift, but the Race team seems to be almost dead. Just no drive, recruitment or leadership, the only focus being on the Development team(s) to prepare riders for the e-Pro team (r3r-nopinz), but they're soon going to find there's no crowd left to draw them from... Without me and 1 other leading there would be no FRR or ZRL teams. Without me and 2-3 others herding we'd have no WTRL TTT teams. Sucks and quite depressing! :confused:

I think I am set on doing Z2 + a Zwift race. I had planned Sunday off due to work, but also took Monday off the bike as my hamstrings were killing me from basically doing 9 hours of squats and lots of walking on Sunday. Today, despite being sore I felt better after my post work ride then I have in quite a while.
See that just sounds like a massive shock, if you where already quite fatigued and under the weather. Even if you where recovering, a massive load like that on top of it just knocks you back further. You talked about plateauing but how where your last 3-4 weeks before that? A plateau is quite natural if you've not fully recovered from previously load, it's can almost be like feeling you're on a downward spiral. When all you need is a bit more rest to recover from the efforts. Never forget that it's the recovery which makes us stronger - not the training/strain itself. A plateau is sometimes finding that new 'base/normal' but only really if you've not peaked/strained before it and are just adapting to a constant.

My volume is far less, but I do tend to be a 'creature of habit', adapting to constants and just pushing through. But my volumes tend to be racing, so they're short 'spikes' not a massive load which take days to recover from. I've always 'prided' myself on having a strong base - riding all weathers and my commute every day. But lets be honest, I'm riding <20 mins per day at high-tempo with maybe some threshold peaks. There's no 30-40 min trailer rides towing 40kg anymore to give me a base (walk kiddo to school). So my commutes are such a short time & strain it can't really give that much base training.

But when you throw the Zwift racing I do - generally an hour TTT bouncing at threshold, or races where I'm very much just doing intervals. I don't take any extra rest for those, they are my 'normal'. So that is my base. I take enough 'rest days' during the week (can't ride every day so it's a race Tuesday - ZRL/DiRT/TFC - with TTT Thursday) and my schedule being so consistent that gives me my rest days (without 'booking them in') to build and maintain that base. The only other riding I generally do is on weekends. Then it's far more endurance based - with the club outside for 3-4 hours on a social (generally easy riding with hill efforts), or 2-3 hours on a Zwift Group ride, generally at tempo but sweeping so again several minute efforts with lots of rest between. They're fundamentally very similar kind of 'strain'. I have got conditioned to riding that most weeks without any additional rest, but my riding infrequency and short commutes gives me that rest and my body has just adapted to it. That's the base.

For FRR kinda proved I can ride 'every day' at that high intensity (did 10 days of racing in 9 days) and still push good numbers. Not going to say it didn't hurt and fatigue, but the base was there so was able to push through it and perform. I did take an easier week afterwards (by skipping the Thursday TTT), but did feel like I could've done it without suffering too badly (as rode a TTT on the Tuesday, slightly easier but still in good form so not a big strain).
 
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Zwiftpower has finally caught up with me and moved me up into Cat B, so last night I tried one of the Race Like a Pro Series. First time on Richmond Rollercoaster, so I had a quick look at the route before and thought the two short but nasty hills in the lead-in might be hard.

Short version is that despite pretty much going full gas up up the first hill, I got shelled out the back and ended up in a group of four. At one point we got within about 6 seconds of a bigger group in front but they put the hammer down and the gap went back out.
 
If anyone is interested, Zwift has started to show personal performance data that it's using for category enforcement - zFTP, zMAP, VO2max plus peak power at 5s, 30s, 1m, 5m 12m, 20m and 30m.
It's estimate of my VO2max is about 10% lower than Garmin, not that it really matters...
 
I joined the Chris Hoy Doddie Add ride on Saturday morning (they move to Sunday's for the rest of the series).

Bit of banter during the ride and Chris Hoy agrees to a sprint with 300m to go (Makuri 40 route). I'd stayed in the front group, so went for it and to my surprise, found myself off the front with a small gap...

At which point I look at the rider list to see Chris Hoy showing over 20 w/kg and he comes flying past me at some mental speed to finish 3 seconds in front :eek: :D

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If anyone is interested, Zwift has started to show personal performance data that it's using for category enforcement - zFTP, zMAP, VO2max plus peak power at 5s, 30s, 1m, 5m 12m, 20m and 30m.
It's estimate of my VO2max is about 10% lower than Garmin, not that it really matters...

Where does it show your VO2 Max estimate? I though it was just on FTP or something similar.
 
I joined the Chris Hoy Doddie Add ride on Saturday morning (they move to Sunday's for the rest of the series).

Bit of banter during the ride and Chris Hoy agrees to a sprint with 300m to go (Makuri 40 route). I'd stayed in the front group, so went for it and to my surprise, found myself off the front with a small gap...

At which point I look at the rider list to see Chris Hoy showing over 20 w/kg and he comes flying past me at some mental speed to finish 3 seconds in front :eek: :D
I joined this. Didn't even attempt the sprint. I liked the "little tickle" earlier in the ride when he needed to jump off to turn his fan on. 19w/kg later and he was gone! Ride outdoors on Sundays so I won't be able to join any others.
 
I joined this. Didn't even attempt the sprint. I liked the "little tickle" earlier in the ride when he needed to jump off to turn his fan on. 19w/kg later and he was gone! Ride outdoors on Sundays so I won't be able to join any others.

I forgot about his little tickle - bonkers power. I did clean the winter bike over the weekend as I'd rather be outside but if it's biblically wet or icy, I'll be on Zwift again on Sunday.
 
Any tips on how to move forward when in a rut? I was seeing good improvements until a month ago and now it has plateaued and my legs feel stiff/lack power every time I go on the bike. It sounds like classic over training but my weekly TSS load is nearly half that of previous months.


Err... So it turns out I should have been replacing my asthma inhaler about 2 months back... :o They normally have a counter on the back but the last one didn't. This was the only trouble I was having until Christmas when spending time at my parents house with their cat was making my breathing laboured, fortunate to have not gotten ill in that time as that usually causes big problems. Night and day difference and feel so light on my feet again. Hopefully all that oxygen starved exercise will have made improvements in the background now that my breathing is normal again.
 
So I did a FTP test (Wahoo Half Monty) and have added 27w to my ftp and 25w to my 5 minute power. Highest I've ever been. Also hit my max heart rate of 201bpm again and was relatively comfortable in the 190s. Last month it was uncomfortable in the early 180s and couldn't hit 190.

3 weeks of the MAP plan until skiing in February. Then will do a week of 2 of Z2 and the MAP plan in a lower volume. The question is, Wahoo runs out after this, do I renew it or try Trainer road? March will see me dust off the bike and venture outdoors again.
 
I joined the Chris Hoy Doddie Add ride on Saturday morning (they move to Sunday's for the rest of the series).

Bit of banter during the ride and Chris Hoy agrees to a sprint with 300m to go (Makuri 40 route). I'd stayed in the front group, so went for it and to my surprise, found myself off the front with a small gap...

At which point I look at the rider list to see Chris Hoy showing over 20 w/kg and he comes flying past me at some mental speed to finish 3 seconds in front :eek: :D

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So good to 'see' the numbers which (even in his semi-retired state) show just why he was top of the world! Great fun he actually got involved like that too. Did see he was mentioned as leading other up coming weekend Doddie-Aid rides.

Ah ok. Mine's only 1 off. Garmin says 64 at the moment, Zwift says 65.
It's also given my FTP at 369, which is a bit generous for this time of year :(
Nice! But you've always been a bit of a powerhouse compared to us mere mortals! ;)

zFTP 258w
zMAP 327w
VO2max 53.1

Fairly happy with that. Have my FTP set as 260w on Zwift and I'm at 77kg. Might be 78/79 due to all the xmas cheese and making a dent in local beer supplies! :D

So still a low/average Cat B and ZRL starting again (first ride tonight) I've switched to a different team for this season (EVO) and ended up back in B2... So in the deep end again! At least this time I'm in a team of 12 with 10 of them B so there's some depth! :)

So I did a FTP test (Wahoo Half Monty) and have added 27w to my ftp and 25w to my 5 minute power. Highest I've ever been. Also hit my max heart rate of 201bpm again and was relatively comfortable in the 190s. Last month it was uncomfortable in the early 180s and couldn't hit 190.

3 weeks of the MAP plan until skiing in February. Then will do a week of 2 of Z2 and the MAP plan in a lower volume. The question is, Wahoo runs out after this, do I renew it or try Trainer road? March will see me dust off the bike and venture outdoors again.
Nice little gains. Would be good for one of these many sites to 'dig out' your power values over time from Strava activities, so you could judge (against a timeline) the bumps in performance to stuff like FTP/1 min/5 min power. You could then look back to see the other riding/training at those periods which lead up to it... But we're on the edge of what lots of these services want us to pay them money for doing! Maybe @UTmaniac is aware of something?! He tends to be the app god! ;)

Intervals.icu comes quite close, will show you an 'eFTP' from the weeks riding from the Activities page... I think you could do something under 'Power' on there as you're able to setup 'Seasons'. But mine is also broken and not showing me anything since 5th December... Arguing with it now...

Maybe not worth going with something like TR until you're back focussed enough to 'get your moneys worth' from it. RGT can be ridden for free, could try other stuff like FullGaz to keep yourself occupied. But might also depend what the weather does! If it stinks then maybe Wahoo/Zwift if you can do month by month before 100% riding outside? Delay the decision! ;)
 
You can display ~12 date ranges in intervals.icu at any one time and have a load of others unchecked, to look at your power.

You also create loads of different power interval durations in that table on the right of the power screen.

It's a donateware site, so you can use it for free, but iirc that will limit your pre-registration history to ~3 months.
 
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Nice little gains. Would be good for one of these many sites to 'dig out' your power values over time from Strava activities, so you could judge (against a timeline) the bumps in performance to stuff like FTP/1 min/5 min power. You could then look back to see the other riding/training at those periods which lead up to it... But we're on the edge of what lots of these services want us to pay them money for doing! Maybe @UTmaniac is aware of something?! He tends to be the app god! ;)

Intervals.icu comes quite close, will show you an 'eFTP' from the weeks riding from the Activities page... I think you could do something under 'Power' on there as you're able to setup 'Seasons'. But mine is also broken and not showing me anything since 5th December... Arguing with it now...

Maybe not worth going with something like TR until you're back focussed enough to 'get your moneys worth' from it. RGT can be ridden for free, could try other stuff like FullGaz to keep yourself occupied. But might also depend what the weather does! If it stinks then maybe Wahoo/Zwift if you can do month by month before 100% riding outside? Delay the decision! ;)

I love a bit of Intervals, got just over a years of data in there. Also use it to track power/hr over time.


I'm interested in trainerroad, I feel like their user engagement is a lot better then Wahoo. But I do like the Wahoo Sufferfest experience and feel like it would be very different in TR, from the outside more negative. But guess it comes down to results?
 
I love a bit of Intervals, got just over a years of data in there. Also use it to track power/hr over time.


I'm interested in trainerroad, I feel like their user engagement is a lot better then Wahoo. But I do like the Wahoo Sufferfest experience and feel like it would be very different in TR, from the outside more negative. But guess it comes down to results?
TrainerRoad on ERG mode on the iPad and a TV Series on the Big TV Screen in front of me is how I do all my training, I get massively bored cycling around a virtual world in comparison
 
Well, I'll probably be losing all those gains now, but put them to good use by winning my First group C Zwift race 2 Saturdays ago and promptly got upgraded to B, beating second place by 0.08s (he was almost twice my weight and averaged only 2.9w/kg) and leaving my generally much faster mate for dead on the sprint. I had been developing a cough a couple of days prior to the race and its not finding exercise or the cold at all agreeable so have been dialling back completely last week, and I expect this week too in order to be as fit as I can for Skiing next week. So circa 3 weeks without much/any cycling. Hopefully I build it up again quickly.
 
Well, I'll probably be losing all those gains now, but put them to good use by winning my First group C Zwift race 2 Saturdays ago and promptly got upgraded to B, beating second place by 0.08s (he was almost twice my weight and averaged only 2.9w/kg) and leaving my generally much faster mate for dead on the sprint. I had been developing a cough a couple of days prior to the race and its not finding exercise or the cold at all agreeable so have been dialling back completely last week, and I expect this week too in order to be as fit as I can for Skiing next week. So circa 3 weeks without much/any cycling. Hopefully I build it up again quickly.
Congratulations! I was promoted to B in October/November time and then had 5 weeks with no exercise due to Christmas and moving house. It was a struggle to get going again, but I’m probably at the C/B threshold again after 5 rides, so should be relatively fast for you to get the gains back. Every time I have gaps I tell myself it wil never happen again, but unfortunately life gets in the way.
 
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