THE LAST OF US *Spoiler Thread* (Story only discussion)
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They crop up quite late in the game (about 75% onwards), pretty brutal stuff!
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Hunters drop them quite often, I'm disappointed at how the machete is only a three use thing but the hatchet can be used like 5 times. Didn't make sense to me!
Thinking of jumping into S.T.A.L.K.E.R. call of pripyat myself. Its only game I can think of that comes close.
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Tomb Raider is a good shout.
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Same, I'm still thinking about it even now, amazing story and the way the narrative plays out is just incredible for a game. It's one of only a handful of games where I actually feel attached to the characters so much that I care what happens to them.
For what it's worth I don't think Joel's actions at the end of the game were totally selfish. I think he rescued Ellie as much for her own sake as for his. All throughout the game there are so many things she has never seen or done, learn to swim, play guitar, the comics, she's only 14 and has so much life ahead of her that Joel wants to see her enjoy. Obviously there's the need for Joel to replace the child he lost but I think he wants Ellie to live a full life just as much as he wants a daughter.
But then I'm biased having played the last 20 odd hours with her by my side, with her bad language, crazy observations, cheeky mannerisms, random whistling...
I agree, those were my thoughts as well.
I think Joel's initial reluctance to connect with Ellie are because he feels he couldn't protect Sarah (or Tess, for that matter) and so he doesn't want to become responsible for or attached to another person whom he can't keep safe. It's only because Ellie can actually hold her own to an extent, and her insistence of staying with him, that he realises he's being given another chance. The cost of Ellie surviving, having her own life and Joel getting to be a part of that, is no cure/vaccine but I don't think Joel is even that bothered by it. He's survived it for 20 years, any hope of returning to some semblance of normality has long been lost for him. By the end, he's fought so hard for her that he can't let her go.
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Yup!
By the time you reach the end of the game it's clear that Joel would do anything to protect Ellie. It's really interesting to watch Joel's mindset toward her change as the game progresses, it's one of the best, if not THE best example of that in a videogame I've ever seen. I rate the overall experience of the characters and the way they bond even higher than in movies. The difference for me is that movies have 2 or 3 hours at the very most in which to make you feel connected to the characters and to develop any emotional attachment to them, this game took me over 20 hours and the vast majority of it was interaction between Joel and Ellie. Once you've spent that length of time learning about these two you can't help but be drawn to their personalities and notice the quirks that they both have.
The paternal stuff is pretty evident throughout the game and I think everybody involved has done a great job in setting the pacing. There are a pile of dead bodies in Bill's Town, Ellie stops and stares at them and Joel stops and says to her "you shouldn't be looking at that", Ellie just blows him off and is all like "psshht I've seen worse!". It's no coincidence that he says the same thing to Sarah near the start of the game as well. Not to mention the first time he calls Ellie baby girl when she's hacking away at David, that's one of the most emotional scenes I've gone through in a game for sure.
It was odd because during the last chapter when you were running through the lab trying to find Ellie I was constantly thinking that they'd already started operating on her, the sense of desperation and grief was almost overwhelming, I really shouldn't be so emotionally invested in something that isn't real but that last chapter was one of the most difficult moments in gaming I've ever had to go through.
The sheer relief at the end when you realise she's in the back of the car was just... indescribable really. In a way I felt selfish because as far as I knew I'd put a future for Ellie and Joel ahead of the future of the human race, but in another way I just thought to myself the human race can go and **** itself. After spending the past 20+ hours watching what the humans had become, murdering innocent people and looting their bodies, cannibalism when there were other options, taking enjoyment in the killing of others, it just made me think that the human race wasn't WORTH saving. For me it was the classic stereotype of the humans being more monstrous than the actual infected were.
There's way too much to talk about in this game without going off on tangents etc, I haven't even mentioned the giraffe scene, the scene where you meet David, then that moment when the conversation you are having with him around the campfire suddenly turns goes in a different direction when he mentions "a crazy man, travelling... travelling with a little girl. That moment gave me goosebumps, I was sat there wide eyed thinking oh ****! There's just too much EPIC in this game to discuss it all in one go quite frankly.
The paternal stuff is pretty evident throughout the game and I think everybody involved has done a great job in setting the pacing. There are a pile of dead bodies in Bill's Town, Ellie stops and stares at them and Joel stops and says to her "you shouldn't be looking at that", Ellie just blows him off and is all like "psshht I've seen worse!". It's no coincidence that he says the same thing to Sarah near the start of the game as well. Not to mention the first time he calls Ellie baby girl when she's hacking away at David, that's one of the most emotional scenes I've gone through in a game for sure.
It was odd because during the last chapter when you were running through the lab trying to find Ellie I was constantly thinking that they'd already started operating on her, the sense of desperation and grief was almost overwhelming, I really shouldn't be so emotionally invested in something that isn't real but that last chapter was one of the most difficult moments in gaming I've ever had to go through.
The sheer relief at the end when you realise she's in the back of the car was just... indescribable really. In a way I felt selfish because as far as I knew I'd put a future for Ellie and Joel ahead of the future of the human race, but in another way I just thought to myself the human race can go and **** itself. After spending the past 20+ hours watching what the humans had become, murdering innocent people and looting their bodies, cannibalism when there were other options, taking enjoyment in the killing of others, it just made me think that the human race wasn't WORTH saving. For me it was the classic stereotype of the humans being more monstrous than the actual infected were.
There's way too much to talk about in this game without going off on tangents etc, I haven't even mentioned the giraffe scene, the scene where you meet David, then that moment when the conversation you are having with him around the campfire suddenly turns goes in a different direction when he mentions "a crazy man, travelling... travelling with a little girl. That moment gave me goosebumps, I was sat there wide eyed thinking oh ****! There's just too much EPIC in this game to discuss it all in one go quite frankly.
Oh and also the obligatory:
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Cool that Nolan North got a part in this as well!
Yup!
By the time you reach the end of the game it's clear that Joel would do anything to protect Ellie. It's really interesting to watch Joel's mindset toward her change as the game progresses, it's one of the best, if not THE best example of that in a videogame I've ever seen. I rate the overall experience of the characters and the way they bond even higher than in movies. The difference for me is that movies have 2 or 3 hours at the very most in which to make you feel connected to the characters and to develop any emotional attachment to them, this game took me over 20 hours and the vast majority of it was interaction between Joel and Ellie. Once you've spent that length of time learning about these two you can't help but be drawn to their personalities and notice the quirks that they both have.
The paternal stuff is pretty evident throughout the game and I think everybody involved has done a great job in setting the pacing. There are a pile of dead bodies in Bill's Town, Ellie stops and stares at them and Joel stops and says to her "you shouldn't be looking at that", Ellie just blows him off and is all like "psshht I've seen worse!". It's no coincidence that he says the same thing to Sarah near the start of the game as well. Not to mention the first time he calls Ellie baby girl when she's hacking away at David, that's one of the most emotional scenes I've gone through in a game for sure.
It was odd because during the last chapter when you were running through the lab trying to find Ellie I was constantly thinking that they'd already started operating on her, the sense of desperation and grief was almost overwhelming, I really shouldn't be so emotionally invested in something that isn't real but that last chapter was one of the most difficult moments in gaming I've ever had to go through.
The sheer relief at the end when you realise she's in the back of the car was just... indescribable really. In a way I felt selfish because as far as I knew I'd put a future for Ellie and Joel ahead of the future of the human race, but in another way I just thought to myself the human race can go and **** itself. After spending the past 20+ hours watching what the humans had become, murdering innocent people and looting their bodies, cannibalism when there were other options, taking enjoyment in the killing of others, it just made me think that the human race wasn't WORTH saving. For me it was the classic stereotype of the humans being more monstrous than the actual infected were.
There's way too much to talk about in this game without going off on tangents etc, I haven't even mentioned the giraffe scene, the scene where you meet David, then that moment when the conversation you are having with him around the campfire suddenly turns goes in a different direction when he mentions "a crazy man, travelling... travelling with a little girl. That moment gave me goosebumps, I was sat there wide eyed thinking oh ****! There's just too much EPIC in this game to discuss it all in one go quite frankly.
Oh and also the obligatory:
Haha, I love Chang.
That's the thing I was thinking about yesterday while wondering why it was all still in my head; a movie is 2-3 hours at most, a TV show is 45 mins to an hour once a week (and usually attention is spread across a whole range of characters), whereas a game is a lot of time usually split into chunks of at least a few hours each and usually focused on just a specific few characters, so as medium for getting you to connect with them and become immersed in the story, it's ideal really. Not to mention that you're effectively 'there', you're not just an observer, you're participating in almost everything that's happening.
Yeah the bit in the hospital filled me with a real sense of dread, the 'spoilers' I'd accidentally seen elsewhere on the internet suggested that Ellie dies at the end so I was half-expecting that to happen. Even when I ran into the operating room and saw her lying there, my first thought was "Ohhh crap...I'm too late". Was a genuine sense of relief when she woke up on the back seat.
The last game to make me connect with characters in this way was Bioshock Infinite, but I feel TLoU did better job overall by building the relationship between Joel and Ellie during the gameplay as well as the cutscenes. In Bioshock, there's far too much silence between Booker and Elizabeth except at pre-defined moments. The end of the game was very powerful (won't spoil that for anyone) but it did feel like it's all dumped on you at once.
One thing I have been thinking about is why they had you play as Ellie in the final segment. There must be some significance to it, otherwise they'd surely have just had you play as Joel, just as you had for 90% of the game prior.
Yeah the bit in the hospital filled me with a real sense of dread, the 'spoilers' I'd accidentally seen elsewhere on the internet suggested that Ellie dies at the end so I was half-expecting that to happen. Even when I ran into the operating room and saw her lying there, my first thought was "Ohhh crap...I'm too late". Was a genuine sense of relief when she woke up on the back seat.
The last game to make me connect with characters in this way was Bioshock Infinite, but I feel TLoU did better job overall by building the relationship between Joel and Ellie during the gameplay as well as the cutscenes. In Bioshock, there's far too much silence between Booker and Elizabeth except at pre-defined moments. The end of the game was very powerful (won't spoil that for anyone) but it did feel like it's all dumped on you at once.
One thing I have been thinking about is why they had you play as Ellie in the final segment. There must be some significance to it, otherwise they'd surely have just had you play as Joel, just as you had for 90% of the game prior.
Unbelievably good game.
It was very selfish of Joel but I mean
- No guarantee of vaccine
- She won't have been the only person immune, or super duper unlikely.
- Goodluck spreading the vaccine, the largest enemy seemed to be other people at this point, I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons why it wouldn't have worked out
Not that Joel would've thought through any of that mind.
I was genuinely worried Joel had died when it hit Winter and the camp fire scene with David was fantastic, that Winter chapter was probably my favourite part of the game.
It was very selfish of Joel but I mean
- No guarantee of vaccine
- She won't have been the only person immune, or super duper unlikely.
- Goodluck spreading the vaccine, the largest enemy seemed to be other people at this point, I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons why it wouldn't have worked out
Not that Joel would've thought through any of that mind.
I was genuinely worried Joel had died when it hit Winter and the camp fire scene with David was fantastic, that Winter chapter was probably my favourite part of the game.
Recently completed the games.
The overall story was/is fantastic. I always found myself asking for more and when it finally came to an end I was very disappointed... Purely because I wasnt going to get any more lol.
Clocked the game on Normal. May just skip Hard and try out Survival mode.
The overall story was/is fantastic. I always found myself asking for more and when it finally came to an end I was very disappointed... Purely because I wasnt going to get any more lol.
Clocked the game on Normal. May just skip Hard and try out Survival mode.
That weapon is awesome. Definitely up the with the machete.
Downloaded it, went to boot it up...
...I'm currently replaying the last of us.
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It's better than the machete in that it is also a one hit kill but has either 4 or 5 uses to the machete's 3.
