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I pretty much agree with what fez has said above.
However, the point I have made is right there in your very post:
You've described Jose as having 'failed', but he won the Europa League comfortably, and in the same post you've praised Ole for getting to the very same final and losing it horrendously.
If you have a bunch of talented, very fast players, playing against a high line, you'll always do well. You don't need a manager for that, that's how basic it is.
I'd also like to add that Bruno has been far more important than Ole, he's carried the club single handedly since coming in. Ole would have been gone ages ago without him.
So with Ole's new contract, Varane and Sancho (even if nothing else), the club have really backed him to the hilt as much as is possible.
He's done good things in terms of squad unity, and there have been good moments, but it's crunch time now and he has to deliver something this season. There are still major question marks around his tactics and game management.
At the very least we need to be pushing for the title, I could forgive not winning it if we fell just short, playing good football, etc.
He's done good things in terms of squad unity, and there have been good moments, but it's crunch time now and he has to deliver something this season. There are still major question marks around his tactics and game management.
At the very least we need to be pushing for the title, I could forgive not winning it if we fell just short, playing good football, etc.
Absolutely not. Walcott's main attribute was his speed, Sancho is more of a link up player, less speed, more fluid on the ball, far better passing, etc.
Unfortunately, he's better suited to playing in a defined system, something we don't have - at all.
We can discuss it until the cows come home, but it's obvious to everyone that Ole is a poor manager from a coaching/tactical perspective. Sure, he's done some good in terms of keeping players happy and unifying aspects of the club, but that is ultimately not going to matter. Ole and his staff are not fit for purpose at the highest level of football, which is where we are meant to be.
If we sacked him, I doubt any other top division side in Europe would be interested in him, perhaps one or two at a push.
I'd love him to prove me wrong - but he won't.
If we sacked him, I doubt any other top division side in Europe would be interested in him, perhaps one or two at a push.
I'd love him to prove me wrong - but he won't.
And you don't have a problem with this? Not really true though anyway.
I find it genuinely sad people will defend him just because of his name.
It's funny people say "we've tried the high end manager route and it didn't work" - Jose did what he usually does and LvG was just a bit mental.
That means we should just employ an ex-player instead? That no other manager can do a good job for us?! Just bizarre.
That means we should just employ an ex-player instead? That no other manager can do a good job for us?! Just bizarre.
Of course there's a shortage of truly elite managers, but why can't we just have a very good one?
If you think about it, aside from Leeds and the latter part of the Newcastle game, all of our performances this season have been poor.
Almost all of our games in October and November are difficult - so that should be... interesting.
I don't expect the club to get rid of Ole (and all of his staff) unless things get dire, so we'll likely finish 4th-5th, no trophies, 50/50 as to whether we get out of the group in the Champions League.
Is that really an improvement on anything? No.
Almost all of our games in October and November are difficult - so that should be... interesting.
I don't expect the club to get rid of Ole (and all of his staff) unless things get dire, so we'll likely finish 4th-5th, no trophies, 50/50 as to whether we get out of the group in the Champions League.
Is that really an improvement on anything? No.
Donny will be off to Everton in January. I bet he'll do well there too as he won't be playing under a hopeless fraud of a manager.
Interesting analysis from Carragher and Neville: the players don't work nearly hard enough for Ole, a good manager would find a way to make such a good squad work, it can be done. He's reached his ceiling as a manager and can't take us any further now. He can't just play McTominay and Fred and hope for the best as it doesn't work. Not that it wasn't obvious to almost everyone...
Neville understandably won't call for a change to be made, but you can tell he's given up on him.
Neville understandably won't call for a change to be made, but you can tell he's given up on him.
I think almost everyone is in agreement now that he's quite frankly a low level manager with some world class players. Recent Man Utd fan polls I've seen have 90% of fans wanting him out.
This was interesting from an article I saw recently, on comparisons with Klopp (laughable as they are to start with really):
We are not going to be picking up any sort of pace, in fact, we are improving the squad and going backwards.
In terms of a replacement, the two main available candidates are not necessarily ideal, but both are a massive step up on Ole - not difficult I suppose. Zidane and Conte. I understand the reservations about both, but at this point I would be prepared to abandon the 'project' and appoint either. The season is not yet a write off, but it soon will be.
We'll no doubt somehow beat Liverpool which will buy him more time. Atalanta to come first though, tomorrow night...
This was interesting from an article I saw recently, on comparisons with Klopp (laughable as they are to start with really):
We are not going to be picking up any sort of pace, in fact, we are improving the squad and going backwards.
In terms of a replacement, the two main available candidates are not necessarily ideal, but both are a massive step up on Ole - not difficult I suppose. Zidane and Conte. I understand the reservations about both, but at this point I would be prepared to abandon the 'project' and appoint either. The season is not yet a write off, but it soon will be.
We'll no doubt somehow beat Liverpool which will buy him more time. Atalanta to come first though, tomorrow night...
Yes, the coaching staff are yet another problem.
Not sure why people make statements like this, you think if we're in the bottom half of the table and out of every competition in 8 weeks they'd still keep him? No chance.
Bizarrely, yes.
This is the thing. A good coach would find a way to make it work much better than it currently is.
The solution isn't just to throw more and more money at the problem. People wanted a right winger and a centre back, we got both of those, yet here we are - going backwards. Add someone like Rice for £80m, we still won't get anywhere.
The solution isn't just to throw more and more money at the problem. People wanted a right winger and a centre back, we got both of those, yet here we are - going backwards. Add someone like Rice for £80m, we still won't get anywhere.