The MSI Neo2 Platinum Owners Help Thread

split · 12 Oct 2004 at 13:44

Originally posted by rlm
Thats how I have mine set and it comes up at duel chan. Surely having both sticks in the same coloured slots as each other = duel.

This is a repeat of another post I made.

Use 1 & 2.

You fill the green slot first (manual says slots <bad)

Slot 1 is channel 1 and slot 2 is channel 2
2 channels = dual channel

Note picture. (from manual)

Anything other than that is single channel.

BTW, your not the first to do this. Note the picture from here.
I wonder if they benched it in single channel mode

MR.B · 12 Oct 2004 at 14:09

I was hoping someone here could help... why is it i cant go past 205FSB without this turd board becoming unstable?
even if i set the memory to stay at DDR400. I aint lowered to multiplier or anything... its a 12x
I have a 3800+ CPU, and before you say it, it aint overheating.
:confused:

split · 12 Oct 2004 at 14:16

Need more info really, but try setting the HTT to 4.

rlm · 12 Oct 2004 at 15:01

I'm just stupid, your right. Sorry.

pumbertot · 12 Oct 2004 at 15:24

Originally posted by MR.B
I was hoping someone here could help... why is it i cant go past 205FSB without this turd board becoming unstable?
even if i set the memory to stay at DDR400. I aint lowered to multiplier or anything... its a 12x
I have a 3800+ CPU, and before you say it, it aint overheating.

yep more info.by setting the mem to stay at 200 you mean selecting 200 in BIOS?this is not setting its limit to 200 mate, this is a 1:1 ratio and does not mean the memory is capped at 200MHz so if you have carp memory then that would explain it.if you want the mem to be at 200MHz then you set the mem config to 166 and then the HTT to 240MHz.

and as said yes drop the LDT to 4x as some motherboards do top out at hypertrasnport speed of 1000MHz
i.e. LDTxHTT=1000
so setting the LDT to 4x gives you headroom for clocking.

what mem is it you have mate?could possibly one of the few brands that arent compatible with the motherboard.

sja360 · 12 Oct 2004 at 15:39

does anyone with a FX53 have misreading temps with the latest bios? its just my mate has watercooling using asetek waterchill with the dual rad, and he gets around 40c on stock, with fans at 7v i think, while i at 7v and 1 rad get 33c :/ go figure. but i have a 3400 1 meg cache.

Fenny · 12 Oct 2004 at 15:45

Originally posted by split
Is that picture your set up?
If so, any reason for having the memory in single channel mode.

Yeah it is. I brought both sticks about 3 months apart from eachother and it seems they are different. I cant run them in duel. It crashs :mad:

Here are both sticks.

DIMM #1

General
Memory type DDR-SDRAM
Manufacturer (ID) Corsair (7F7F9E0000000000)
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC4000 (250 MHz)
Part number CMX512-4000
Serial number FFFFFFFF
Manufacturing date Week 255/Year 255

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 250
CAS# 3.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 4
RAS# Precharge 4
TRAS# 10

General
Memory type DDR-SDRAM
Manufacturer (ID) Corsair (7F7F9E0000000000)
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3700 (232 MHz)
Part number CMX512-4000
Manufacturing date Week 00/Year 00

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 232
CAS# 3.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 4
RAS# Precharge 4
TRAS# 8

Ive made numerous posts on this and i came to the fact that there is "nothing" wrong with the stick. It is annoying that i spend 100 pounds on a product and it doesnt work properly.

Fenny

btw: both are from OcUK

pumbertot · 12 Oct 2004 at 16:19

Originally posted by sja360
does anyone with a FX53 have misreading temps with the latest bios? its just my mate has watercooling using asetek waterchill with the dual rad, and he gets around 40c on stock, with fans at 7v i think, while i at 7v and 1 rad get 33c :/ go figure. but i have a 3400 1 meg cache.

yes mate regardless of fx-53 or 3500,3800 the temps are off.in fact this applies to all nf3-250 and k8t800pro s939 chipsets.

I get idel temps of 38C according to BIOS.well today my temp probes arrived.ive got one under the socket and one between the maze4 and cpu and both are reading 28-29C idle so that near enough 10C less than BIOS.

although your temps might be a couple of degrees lower as the dual channel memory controller does genertae more heat than the single on s754 but not by 7C.

sja360 · 12 Oct 2004 at 16:42

Originally posted by pumbertot
yes mate regardless of fx-53 or 3500,3800 the temps are off.in fact this applies to all nf3-250 and k8t800pro s939 chipsets.

I get idel temps of 38C according to BIOS.well today my temp probes arrived.ive got one under the socket and one between the maze4 and cpu and both are reading 28-29C idle so that near enough 10C less than BIOS.

although your temps might be a couple of degrees lower as the dual channel memory controller does genertae more heat than the single on s754 but not by 7C.

so we guesstimate hes on 30idle yes? and i'm around 33-35? that'd sound about right. shame the bios doesnt agree :rolleyes:

pumbertot · 12 Oct 2004 at 16:46

Originally posted by sja360
so we guesstimate hes on 30idle yes? and i'm around 33-35? that'd sound about right. shame the bios doesnt agree

id guesstimate he is around 30-32C idle yes mate.
yup I dont know where they have the probe situated for the CPU but it aint reading the core temperature for sure. :eek:

split · 12 Oct 2004 at 16:52

I have totally ignored the temp readings.
I have yet to put my mobo in a case, and had it running on the bench.
I think the BIOS was telling me something in the 40's with the BIOS that is supposed to be more accurate (1.2)

I can tell you this for nothing. As close as I could get my finger to the CPU, it felt positively cold compared to the Western Digital Raptor I had sitting by it. (easy to do with mobo out of case)

Yes I realise that is not an accurate test, but the fins on my ThermalRight SLK 800 on my socket A chip feel tepid.

The fins on my Zalman sitting on my FX 53 feel colder.

I might try sticking a thermometer in there, and seeing what it says as I don't trust my finger

Fenny, get some new memory.
I would imagine a lot of your problems (including this one could well be the memory.

This board is very fussy with ram..and about everything else it seems :rolleyes:

Hmm I mised the post by pumbertot about his probe thing.
Looks like my finger wasn't such a bad test after all

dubs · 12 Oct 2004 at 22:54

well reading through all this, is this board any good???

im thinking of upgrading my system and am looking at this board and an amd64 cpu to go with it, am i likely to get loads of problems???? or is it a case of just flashing the bios and hoping it doens throw a hissy fit?

cheers

craig

pumbertot · 12 Oct 2004 at 23:33

Originally posted by dubs
well reading through all this, is this board any good???

im thinking of upgrading my system and am looking at this board and an amd64 cpu to go with it, am i likely to get loads of problems???? or is it a case of just flashing the bios and hoping it doens throw a hissy fit?

cheers

craig

no once you get the hang of it its a fantastic motherboard.make sure your memory is compatibl too but this motherboard is amongst the best s939 there is.

At The Gates · 13 Oct 2004 at 08:10

Will the GeIL 1GB PC3200 Value Dual Channel Kit CAS2.5 be ok for this board? I'm torn between this and the Asus. Mainly going towards this for Winchester support and it has nForce3 Ultra - i've never had issues with nForce in the past, unlike VIA (spits) :mad:

pumbertot · 13 Oct 2004 at 11:50

Originally posted by At The Gates
Will the GeIL 1GB PC3200 Value Dual Channel Kit CAS2.5 be ok for this board? I'm torn between this and the Asus. Mainly going towards this for Winchester support and it has nForce3 Ultra - i've never had issues with nForce in the past, unlike VIA (spits)

looks like it will work fine with Neo2.
read this thread:
http://forum.msi.com.tw/thread.php?threadid=51996

remember if you do go this route, dont install XP SP2!

Overlag · 13 Oct 2004 at 13:58

Originally posted by At The Gates
Will the GeIL 1GB PC3200 Value Dual Channel Kit CAS2.5 be ok for this board? I'm torn between this and the Asus. Mainly going towards this for Winchester support and it has nForce3 Ultra - i've never had issues with nForce in the past, unlike VIA (spits)

VIA have the best chipset out there right now

split · 13 Oct 2004 at 15:15

VIA have the best chipset out there right now

Yet on the other hand.
Taken from the ABIT forum.

It's kind of funny. I'm just the opposite. After a month and a half of trying to get stability on my AV8 board using every tweak, down-clock, and thermal solution known to man, and finally threw in the towel and switched to the MSI K8N Neo2 and haven't looked back. (In fact, I kick myself for wasting so much time on my Abit board.)

That doesn't make the VIA a bad board, but it goes to show that the VIA has it problems as well.

Yeah I can find more threads with Nvidia errors than I can VIA, but I wonder what the ratio of VIA bought to Nvidia is.

MSI users look away now if this is true.

Returns on:
1) Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939 from July until now – 28 returns [½ good, ½ bad]
2) Abit AV8 Via K8T800 Pro from Aug until now – 17 returns [majority good]
3) MSI K8N Neo2 Plat from Aug until now – 47 returns [majority bad]

Overlag · 13 Oct 2004 at 15:21

Originally posted by split
Yet on the other hand.
Taken from the ABIT forum.

It's kind of funny. I'm just the opposite. After a month and a half of trying to get stability on my AV8 board using every tweak, down-clock, and thermal solution known to man, and finally threw in the towel and switched to the MSI K8N Neo2 and haven't looked back. (In fact, I kick myself for wasting so much time on my Abit board.)

That doesn't make the VIA a bad board, but it goes to show that the VIA has it problems as well.

Yeah I can find more threads with Nvidia errors than I can VIA, but I wonder what the ratio of VIA bought to Nvidia is.

MSI users look away now if this is true.

Returns on:
1) Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939 from July until now – 28 returns [½ good, ½ bad]
2) Abit AV8 Via K8T800 Pro from Aug until now – 17 returns [majority good]
3) MSI K8N Neo2 Plat from Aug until now – 47 returns [majority bad]

none of them are perfect yet, some people may be able to get better out of VIA boards, some Nvidia boards. thats what we get for using "first gen" 939 stuff

split · 13 Oct 2004 at 15:31

I agree.

Fair to say that the Nforce3 / socket 939 option has far more bugs the Nforce2 / socket A option, but the socket A chip had been around a long time before Nvidia started to make a mobo for it.

Nice to see the Nforce3 doesn't have the BIOS death problems that the Nforce2 boards have on save an exit the BIOS.

Hmm or is it people can get them to boot in the first place for there to be an error with the BIOS

pumbertot · 13 Oct 2004 at 17:25

Originally posted by split
I agree.

Fair to say that the Nforce3 / socket 939 option has far more bugs the Nforce2 / socket A option, but the socket A chip had been around a long time before Nvidia started to make a mobo for it.

Nice to see the Nforce3 doesn't have the BIOS death problems that the Nforce2 boards have on save an exit the BIOS.

Hmm or is it people can get them to boot in the first place for there to be an error with the BIOS

yeah its so true.people are quick to forget also that the nf7-s v1.2 wasnt exactly too great a motherboard but look at the rev2. Hopefully s939 via and nvidia chipsets will follow suit.