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Raz said:
1. Disagree with it.
2. Homosexuality, under certain Islamic laws, can be punishable by death. If you are living in a muslim country then logically the law of the land would apply. Naturally it's a innocent until proven guilty process. I personally think death is a bit extreme, but I am not a jurist nor a judge.

What would you do if you found out your best Muslim mate was gay?
 
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Raz said:
There is a girl I know, who is muslim by name, yet doesn't pray, fast, or actually believe in God. But because of her family background people assume she is Muslim. She is not. If someone spat on the Quran it wouldn't bother her while it would offend or at least bother a Muslim.

But if she was VIRII's friend, it cannot be said that he is friends with a muslim.
Why *should* it bother a muslim. It is just a book. I'm sure Jesus wouldn't kick up a fuss about it. Is jesus > a muslim?
 
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Raz said:
1. Disagree with it.
2. Homosexuality, under certain Islamic laws, can be punishable by death. If you are living in a muslim country then logically the law of the land would apply. Naturally it's a innocent until proven guilty process. I personally think death is a bit extreme, but I am not a jurist nor a judge.

I'd love to tell you that but how do I know what or how other Muslims should feel? Do you know what all pagans feel about different things?

2. a "bit" extreme? A bit ..... how tolerant of you.

You've stated muslims *should* feel upset if someone spat on the koran. So you have told us how muslims *should* feel about things.

As you are NOT living in a muslim land and discrimination against homosexuals is illegal would you employ a homosexual if you knew they were homosexual?
 

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dmpoole said:
What would you do if you found out your best Muslim mate was gay?

Honestly, I don't know. Probably distance myself to a degree.

Probably act like Shazad or whatever his name was from BB when he's around :D
 
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Raz said:
1. Disagree with it.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html
Some Book said:
004.034

YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Food for thought?

Do you know what all pagans feel about different things?

No, but there isn't a single book to tell us all what to do.
 
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Raz said:
Honestly, I don't know. Probably distance myself to a degree.

Probably act like Shazad or whatever his name was from BB when he's around :D
Why? Just because he is gay? How tolerant.... how phobic... how sad.
 

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cleanbluesky said:
Food for thought?

No. Death by stoning is a method of execution, doesn't mean that I have to agree with it OR do it.

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No, but there isn't a single book to tell us all what to do.

No, there isn't. But while we know what to do, we all feel different things.
 
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Raz said:
No, there isn't. But while we know what to do, we all feel different things.
I thought you said earlier that muslims who don't do certain things are not muslims.... :confused:
Do you not all follow the teachings of the Koran? Do you not all have the same rules and regulations? Are you not all to do as the prophet instructed? Is the Koran not a complete set of solutions for every aspect of life?
 
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Would you let your daughter marry a man who slept with his own mother?
Let? What do you mean by let? Do I own my daughter? Is she my possession to command? Is this the "respect" Islam has for women , I mean "bints" that you tell us of?
 
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No. Death by stoning is a method of execution, doesn't mean that I have to agree with it OR do it.

Did you read what I posted? It was a verse from the Koran telling Muslims to beat their wives if disobedient. You said you disagree, I wasn't aware there was room to disagree with the word of Mohammed/Allah within Islam.


No, there isn't. But while we know what to do, we all feel different things.

So you do as you feel and call yourself a Muslim?
 

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I thought you said earlier that muslims who don't do certain things are not muslims.... :confused:
Do you not all follow the teachings of the Koran? Do you not all have the same rules and regulations? Are you not all to do as the prophet instructed? Is the Koran not a complete set of solutions for every aspect of life?

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So if a muslim does not FEEL like fasting is he still a muslim :)
If you like you can answer the other questions as well....
 
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VIRII said:
Why? Just because he is gay? How tolerant.... how phobic... how sad.

At least he didn't say he would hand him into the authorites for a stoning.
For a person who's religion is so opposed to homosexuality and who has been indoctrined with the Quran from birth its quite a good answer.
 
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badgermonkey said:
What's that got to do with anything?
He is avoiding answering difficult questions about islamic attitudes to homosexuals and wife beating and whether muslims are still muslims if they do not obey and believe in the teachings of the Koran or whether they can obey the koran whilst "feeling" that the things they are doing aren't right.... which begs the question "if you don't feel it is the right thing to do then why do you do it or believe it?"
 
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dmpoole said:
At least he didn't say he would hand him into the authorites for a stoning.
For a person who's religion is so opposed to homosexuality and who has been indoctrined with the Quran from birth its quite a good answer.

Because there is no stoning in the UK. Presumeably if he was in Saudi then he would as he has said he should obey the laws of the land....
 

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VIRII said:
Let? What do you mean by let? Do I own my daughter? Is she my possession to command? Is this the "respect" Islam has for women , I mean "bints" that you tell us of?

Lol. Pick on every word. To what end? To prove something to the other members?

Apologies, I though perhaps daughters would be interested in their father's opinion in who they marry, as although ultimately a woman can marry whoever she wants (as in Islam) she would still want her father to be happy for her future husband.

Naturally, I assumed that as a father you would be interested in who your daughter marries, but from your post I assumed wrong.

I noticed however that you managed to twist it around on me without actually answering the question. Perhaps you feel that giving an answer in the negative would show you to be intolerant of other people's attitudes? Or perhaps we should all believe that your sense of morals is the only way, while all others are wrong?
 

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dmpoole said:
At least he didn't say he would hand him into the authorites for a stoning.
For a person who's religion is so opposed to homosexuality and who has been indoctrined with the Quran from birth its quite a good answer.

It's not something I'd do. When it's something like this, we have to answer for our own sins, and I should look to my own sins rather than condemning him to death.
 
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