The New European Super (borefest) League

The biggest issue with all of this is that by guaranteeing their status in the ESL, these top 6 clubs are ensuring they will remain the top 6 in the EPL, it pulls the ladder away from every other team.
Yup, nice little cosy club they’ve got going now to funnel cash to themselves without the inconvenience of having to qualify for it.

For me, that’s ground enough for the other clubs to tell them to **** off out of the leagues.
 
You say that but mysticsniper seemingly didn't, believing that Leicester could keep their players and judging by his 2nd post that players would want to stay. I was genuinely interested by his and others responses because it seems like a lot of people making these statements don't realise what they're saying.

I do believe the majority of players will want to stay, look at Vardy for turning down Arsenal. Maddison comes to mind as a player who might want to leave, depends if he wants to play for England or not?

A super league.......with Arsenal in? Who else is going to be in it? Blackburn Rovers?

Spursy :cry:
 
How dare you!! ;)

Same could be argued about Man United. Definitely Spurs should not be in this Super League.

In fact the same could be argued about many clubs for different reasons.

I'm against this idea completely.

Clubs need to qualify for Europe based on merit not the size of the club or historical achievements.

How is this sporting? It basically keeps the little clubs little and maintains the statuses of the big club.
 
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Ok, I think that's wishful thinking @mysticsniper. Players will follow the £ signs.
Why would any PL team agree to allowing them to continue in the league when these teams are going to get £300m just for being members.
Because the value of Everton, Newcastle, Leicester, Crystal Palace etc would drop through the floor without them. Now if you believe Moshiri, Ashley, Vichai, Parish et al are all passionate supporters of their clubs and care about the integrity of the sport and don't just see their clubs as an asset then maybe they'll take the moral decision and vote against it.

They're going to push back and they're going to fight it but how this ends, who knows. The least likely outcome is these sides not competing in their domestic Leagues. It's the one outcome that suits nobody. If I were to guess, it ends with compromise all round, the biggest clubs getting a bit more of what they want.

The really interesting thing is what FIFA say and some journo's seem to be suggesting that these clubs could have had an unofficial nod from FIFA.
The biggest issue with all of this is that by guaranteeing their status in the ESL, these top 6 clubs are ensuring they will remain the top 6 in the EPL, it pulls the ladder away from every other team.
This has gone on and goes on at every level for years and years. I've banged on about it for the past 10 months now - we have parachute payments to protect the bottom of the PL, when project restart was being negotiated we had the smallest PL sides trying to block relegations and promotions to the PL to protect themselves, when talk of bailouts for the EFL were being discussed none of the (small) PL sides wanted to give a penny to the Championship. Everybody wants a closed shop, just only to those below them.
 
All clubs have left the European Club Association and will no longer be involved in UEFA competitions. Surely City, Chelsea and Real will now be ejected from the Champions League?

Suppose that takes away the need for Liverpool to finish 4th now, can just play the kids and bin off the league until next season :vomit:
 
Ok, I think that's wishful thinking @mysticsniper. Players will follow the £ signs.

Because the value of Everton, Newcastle, Leicester, Crystal Palace etc would drop through the floor without them. Now if you believe Moshiri, Ashley, Vichai, Parish et al are all passionate supporters of their clubs and care about the integrity of the sport and don't just see their clubs as an asset then maybe they'll take the moral decision and vote against it.

They're going to push back and they're going to fight it but how this ends, who knows. The least likely outcome is these sides not competing in their domestic Leagues. It's the one outcome that suits nobody. If I were to guess, it ends with compromise all round, the biggest clubs getting a bit more of what they want.

The really interesting thing is what FIFA say and some journo's seem to be suggesting that these clubs could have had an unofficial nod from FIFA.

This has gone on and goes on at every level for years and years. I've banged on about it for the past 10 months now - we have parachute payments to protect the bottom of the PL, when project restart was being negotiated we had the smallest PL sides trying to block relegations and promotions to the PL to protect themselves, when talk of bailouts for the EFL were being discussed none of the (small) PL sides wanted to give a penny to the Championship. Everybody wants a closed shop, just only to those below them.


I think you're vastly overestimating the value of these teams and their value to football as a whole in the long term.


But you know you be happy being smacked by Real Madrid et al. again every other week and if you're still in the PL running away with it with all the new money you have.
 
Haven't followed the UCL since it went to pay-TV exclusive (even the highlights).

Obviously a ESL will be pay-TV exclusive too - so another competition I have no interest in, whatsoever :p

I'm sure at some point even the EPL highlights will be pay-TV only. Followed by internationals.

Football has massively stepped up the money-chasing aspect in my lifetime. I'm probably too young to say, "Football is a working-class game," since I was born in the 80s when so-called "super clubs" already existed, and football was already big business.

But the sums involved have been growing steadily, haven't they. £1billion for UCL rights last time around. Crazy money.

So basically now it's a game where the middle-classes pay a crapton of money to watch the antics of billionaire owners and their pet millionaire footballers.

And everyone else can pay up or **** off. That's football.
 
Feels like a bad april fools joke, eventually one side had to actually go through with their threats.

I wonder what the response will be tomorrow from the leagues, players and managers.

Oh and does this mean PSG finally get their CL title? :D
 
This has gone on and goes on at every level for years and years. I've banged on about it for the past 10 months now - we have parachute payments to protect the bottom of the PL, when project restart was being negotiated we had the smallest PL sides trying to block relegations and promotions to the PL to protect themselves, when talk of bailouts for the EFL were being discussed none of the (small) PL sides wanted to give a penny to the Championship. Everybody wants a closed shop, just only to those below them.

Completely misleading thing to say.

It was a power grab by the big teams screwing over smaller PL teams. Also reducing teams by two and then playing more fixtures outside of the PL, the big teams actually don't end up paying much.

The idea is that by helping fund the EFL, the top clubs would be supporting the "football pyramid", which is at the heart not just of English football but arguably the way of life in the country.

But this giveaway would come at a price. In exchange, the footballing calendar would be trimmed to suit the top Premier League clubs - with the number of Premier League teams cut to 18, and the EFL Cup (currently the Carabao Cup) and Community Shield being abolished.

These changes would free up fixture dates that could be filled with more lucrative European football matches and pre-season friendlies.

The so-called "Big Six" Premier League clubs - Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea - would also get special voting rights on certain issues, along with West Ham, Everton and Southampton.

There seems to be little in it for the clubs that are not part of the "Big Six": they would have to contribute equally to the EFL bailout, but they would have fewer fixtures as they would not be playing in Europe, which would hit their finances.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/africa/54510898
 
I'm not sure they're saying it's starting this August @XeNoN89 - just that it will run from August.
I think you're vastly overestimating the value of these teams and their value to football as a whole in the long term.

But you know you be happy being smacked by Real Madrid et al. again every other week and if you're still in the PL running away with it with all the new money you have.
I'm really not, you only have to look at the massive difference in commercial revenue these sides generate compared to the rest to see that. The vast majority of the PL's TV £bn's is generated by a small number of clubs.

Regarding your second sentence, I'm sure Liverpool would hold their own. We are one of the most successful sides in European history having won the competition just 2 years ago. But lets be clear, I've never said nor do I want this. I am in favour of changes to European competition and wouldn't be against a new League format but am against the closed shop side of things.
Completely misleading thing to say.
What's misleading? I wasn't denying that these clubs are trying to close the trap door behind them, I was pointing out that the bottom of the PL continually does it's best to do the same to the EFL.

edit: I'm guessing you've confused me saying project restart with project big picture?
 
This does seem like a total joke; just pure greed which is destroying the sport.
I do wonder though if this is some kind of last minute negotiating tactic with the final commercial aspects of the "new" Champions League format due to be thrashed out tomorrow....
 
I'm not sure they're saying it's starting this August @XeNoN89 - just that it will run from August.

I'm really not, you only have to look at the massive difference in commercial revenue these sides generate compared to the rest to see that. The vast majority of the PL's TV £bn's is generated by a small number of clubs.

Regarding your second sentence, I'm sure Liverpool would hold their own. We are one of the most successful sides in European history having won the competition just 2 years ago. But lets be clear, I've never said nor do I want this. I am in favour of changes to European competition and wouldn't be against a new League format but am against the closed shop side of things.

What's misleading? I wasn't denying that these clubs are trying to close the trap door behind them, I was pointing out that the bottom of the PL continually does it's best to do the same to the EFL.

The small teams said no to something that was completely screwing them over. Don't paint it as them not willing to pay a penny to help the EFL. The big teams were cleverly coming up with the money not out of their own pockets but at the expense of two smaller PL teams and the fixtures the others could play.
 
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