The New European Super (borefest) League

Could see this impacting transfer too, if it forms and a major star player is already playing for what is a top club in super league would be less likely to move to another I'd suspect.

Leading to even more of the clubs outside it being picked apart making it even harder for say a club like Wolves to ever reach the status needed to be in a super league

Exactly that, its all about the big clubs staying the big clubs. Elitism at it's best.

More money for the 'top 6' means they will be stronger moving forward. Good luck to anyone doing a Leicester ever again, or West Ham challenging for top 4. Keep the strong strong and the weak peasants weak.

I'd find it hilarious if any of these teams ever went down domestically. Super league with a team out of the top tier, super my ***.
 
Could see this impacting transfer too, if it forms and a major star player is already playing for what is a top club in super league would be less likely to move to another I'd suspect.

Leading to even more of the clubs outside it being picked apart making it even harder for say a club like Wolves to ever reach the status needed to be in a super league
How is this any different to now? Clubs with money and in the Champions League are already in a position to essentially cherry pick players.
I see people applauding Bayern for not signing up to this, completely looking over the fact they frequently pick up the best players in the German League for cheap, or on frees, thereby exploiting the smaller clubs - even Dortmund, Bayern's closest rivals, are impacted by this.
 
As a neutral, this new competition would be largely boring after the first season - the big European games are big because they happen relatively infrequently and the games mean something.
Watching Real Madrid vs Juventus in August with nothing at stake doesn't interest me.

In comparison to the number of PL games each season, these big derbies are infrequent, and depending on the point in the season, they often mean something - the ESL is trying to make every game a big game without any of the jeopardy for the losers, it's over-saturation, people will lose interest.

So you are telling me you would rather watch a top six team play Burnley, Fulham, Sheffield United, West Brom etc which 9 times out of ten is a snoozefest instead of playing Juve, Barcelona and Real Madrid?

I agree that this super League is a total farce in the fact it has no relegation and is the biggest sticking point for me but the idea of playing the best clubs in Europe on a regular basis excites me.
 
How would clubs going forward join this league if they wanted? Say for example the Saudi's buy Newcastle and spend a fortune?
There's no details on how the other 5 sides would qualify but I'm not sure how they'd become 'founder members'. It will be the current 12 + 3 more tbc's and then 5 sides qualifying on a year by year basis. Would there be some sort of qualification rounds between the League winners of smaller European nations to make up the extra 5 spots? That's the best guess I've got and would probably therefore exclude any PL side short of another Leicester 1 in a million miracle, which is being made even harder.

As I've seen some people discuss on twitter, these plans will have big knock on effects for other PL sides - would the Saudi's (for example) still have any interest in buying Newcastle if they aren't able to qualify for the top European competition? Will Everton be able to secure funding for their new stadium when potential future revenues are no longer there?
 
It's only half a league format though isn't it?

Rather than 'a league' it sounds more like 2 large qualifying groups followed by a short knockout comp - i.e. a direct replacement for the current Champions League but one where the big boys need not worry about qualifying and without the crap teams they can't be bothered flying half way across Europe to play.
That's pretty much it. They're replacing the CL with something they're guaranteed to qualify for and without the risk of ignominiously getting dumped out by a "small" side.

The best stories from the CL have always been the less fancied teams - Porto, Ajax, Liverpool in 2005, Dortmund, and teams like Napoli, Leipzig and Atalanta playing bonkers attacking football. Big teams playing big teams week in week out, we will see more footballing "chess matches", fewer upsets, and no upheaval in how the game is played through smaller sides breaking out due to fantastic managers or young players
 
I watch games when there is something to play for.

I would rather watch South Korea play USA in the World Cup Final than Brazil vs England for 3rd place.

I would rather watch Fulham's last game in the season to see whether they stay in the PL than Arsenal vs Wolves in mid-table.

A game with nothing to play for is like Man U vs Real M in a pre-season friendly, I NEVER watch friendlies.
 
So you are telling me you would rather watch a top six team play Burnley, Fulham, Sheffield United, West Brom etc which 9 times out of ten is a snoozefest instead of playing Juve, Barcelona and Real Madrid?

I agree that this super League is a total farce in the fact it has no relegation and is the biggest sticking point for me but the idea of playing the best clubs in Europe on a regular basis excites me.
I'd rather have the variety. I'd certainly rather see a mix of eg City v Madrid and Liverpool v Leipzig than just the same 15 big sides year in year out
 
I watch games when there is something to play for.

I would rather watch South Korea play USA in the World Cup Final than Brazil vs England for 3rd place.

I would rather watch Fulham's last game in the season to see whether they stay in the PL than Arsenal vs Wolves in mid-table.

A game with nothing to play for is like Man U vs Real M in a pre-season friendly, I NEVER watch friendlies.
Exactly this
 
Leicester, villa, Everton, Celtic, rangers, Roma,Napoli, lazio Bayern, dortmund, psg, Lyon, Marseille, Valencia, Porto, benfica, Monaco, Ajax, psv, west ham, athletic

Football will carry on regardless and a new European competition with the above "legacy" teams is quite appealing,
 
Could see this impacting transfer too, if it forms and a major star player is already playing for what is a top club in super league would be less likely to move to another I'd suspect.

Leading to even more of the clubs outside it being picked apart making it even harder for say a club like Wolves to ever reach the status needed to be in a super league

This leads on to part of the UEFA statement last night that I have a problem with;

They clearly not only threatened the clubs (totally fair, and have no problem with this) but threatening the players as individuals imo is too much , they are contractually obliged to play - when fit - to play where their club indicate.

It might be argued that those on existing contracts could be treated differently than those who are transfered once the ESL is actually a going concern, but thats nitpicking.

So many things wrong with what the ESL is trying to do from a club point of view but potentially ruining livlihoods and careers over contracts that predate the ESL is as equally wrong as the ESL "proposal" itself.

Man Utd resigning from UEFA was a logical step (before they were "fired" from the position? lol) once it was leaked / confirmed

Leicester, villa, Everton, Celtic, rangers, Roma,Napoli, lazio Bayern, dortmund, psg, Lyon, Marseille, Valencia, Porto, benfica, Monaco, Ajax, psv, west ham, athletic

I wouldnt be so quick to back PSG in this arguement if I were you, i dont think the reason they declned is as honourable as you may think initially :)

Bayern have to be credited though (although even this is possibly slightly questionable given how they are nailed on to win the German title 80ish % of the time anyway)

Competition is always a good thing in football, not being able to be relegated / promoted makes it completely worthless (whether thats from CL spots , titles or the EPL/ other national leagues themselves)
 
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Leicester, villa, Everton, Celtic, rangers, Roma,Napoli, lazio Bayern, dortmund, psg, Lyon, Marseille, Valencia, Porto, benfica, Monaco, Ajax, psv, west ham, athletic

Football will carry on regardless and a new European competition with the above "legacy" teams is quite appealing,
I'd rather watch those sides than most of the ESL sides anyway. Some of the best football in the last few years has come from Ajax, Porto, Dortmund, Atalanta, Leicester, and Monaco.

The worry is that that will die as their exciting players move to ESL clubs more quickly. That happens anyway though as their teams keep being picked apart by the bigger sides
 
So you are telling me you would rather watch a top six team play Burnley, Fulham, Sheffield United, West Brom etc which 9 times out of ten is a snoozefest instead of playing Juve, Barcelona and Real Madrid?

I agree that this super League is a total farce in the fact it has no relegation and is the biggest sticking point for me but the idea of playing the best clubs in Europe on a regular basis excites me.

Yes because the "snooze fest" teams deserve to be in the PL from merit. The Super league has no such thing for the "founding 12" - it's just a big boys club house for the super rich to stay that way. With it being the same few teams year in and out, it'll get stale quickly, especially for Man Utd(less so), Tottenham and Arsenal fans who's clubs aren't owned by the obscenely rich and won't match the spending. No one likes to be the ones finishing in the bottom half each season.
 
Have been waiting to see more concrete ideas before posting on this. Some things I like about the proposal but the guaranteed 'founders' part is a real sticking point. If it was started with these x teams and then promotion/relegation happened as normal with no guarantees then I'd be all for it.
 
Boris will stop this even if UEFA cant, no police....no match.

And looking on the positive side the Glazers have just made the target on their backs a whole lot bigger #GLAZERSOUT
 
This leads on to part of the UEFA statement last night that I have a problem with;

They clearly not only threatened the clubs (totally fair, and have no problem with this) but threatening the players as individuals imo is too much , they are contractually obliged to play - when fit - to play where their club indicate.

It might be argued that those on existing contracts could be treated differently than those who are transfered once the ESL is actually a going concern, but thats nitpicking.

So many things wrong with what the ESL is trying to do from a club point of view but potentially ruining livlihoods and careers over contracts that predate the ESL is as equally wrong as the ESL "proposal" itself.

Man Utd resigning from UEFA was a logical step (before they were "fired" from the position? lol) once it was leaked / confirmed

This is UEFA etc. trying to leverage player power - the fans have none, the governing bodies barely have any in reality but they're pinning hopes on getting the players themselves to kick up a stink
 
That's pretty much it. They're replacing the CL with something they're guaranteed to qualify for and without the risk of ignominiously getting dumped out by a "small" side.

The best stories from the CL have always been the less fancied teams - Porto, Ajax, Liverpool in 2005, Dortmund, and teams like Napoli, Leipzig and Atalanta playing bonkers attacking football. Big teams playing big teams week in week out, we will see more footballing "chess matches", fewer upsets, and no upheaval in how the game is played through smaller sides breaking out due to fantastic managers or young players

This is also what annoys me about the super League what right do Spurs have to be in there? I mean Ajax and Porto are both bigger clubs than them.
 
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