The New European Super (borefest) League

Most of the threats I'm seeing will hurt EPL/UEFA/FIFA more than it will any Super League, players might talk a good game with PR but ultimately they will do what's in the interest of their wallets.
 
Corden has some cheek as well. A man who sold his soul to a late night American cheese station for a ridiculous sum of money. There are also thousands of accounts from people who’ve met him or been around him in which he treats people he sees as below him as scum.

The virtue signalling on this issue is already becoming tiresome.
 
Also, it's incredibly harsh on the current managers and players dropping this on them mid season, and in the case of Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds & Brighton right before their games.

Spineless *****.
 
BaZ87 said:
It's a weird one. When the news come out my instant reaction was here we go again, another threat on the eve of a UEFA meeting around the structure of the CL. We've been here so many times before over the last 20 odd years and every time I say it's just a threat to get more out of UEFA but one day it will probably happen. I still think this probably is just another threat but I have to admit part of me is wondering whether this might be the real thing this time.

Like with most things, not everything about this is bad. There are valid arguments to restructuring European competition - the group stage of the CL is generally pretty boring and maybe some sort of League format would change that. There's also big question marks around the role and need for UEFA - they siphon off hundreds of millions of euros each season, for what? Your side gets to a European final and you get given circa 12k tickets in an 80k stadium because UEFA have given 60% of the tickets to suits. Despite their comments about protecting fans, they, just like these breakaway clubs, only care about their own wallets.

In fact the issue with this idea really is just the closed shop nature of it. A club run (all clubs not just these 12) European competition that cuts out UEFA, generating more money that stays within the game would be great. You could even have a two tier League with the second tier replacing the Europa.

I'm under no illusions about our owners. They didn't buy Liverpool because they loved the club, they couldn't care less about the club or sport. They saw the viewing figures and relatively low revenue, compared to US sports and realised they could make a fortune. They were smart and learned from a lot of mistakes that the Glazers and our previous owners made but their ultimate intentions are the same. The one thing we've seen is PR means a lot to them and whenever supporters have pushed back on previous bad ideas they've had, they've always backtracked. Assuming this isn't just another threat, unfortunately I can't see them backtracking this time no matter how much bad press they'll get - even if one of these 12 clubs were against the idea, they almost can't afford not to be part of it. Taking the moral decision would be financial suicide.
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This. Anything that takes money away from UEFA is a good thing. Just open the doors to everyone else.
 
If it's Chelsea or City, I would put money on it to do with potentially getting expelled from the Champions League. They would've been given assurances they were safe to continue so to hear UEFA say they're looking at kicking them out would've been a shock.

As for the other teams, the backlash from fans, who will try their hardest to remove their owners, won't matter to them so they might as well press on and try and get other teams in the competition.
 
Listening to Gary Neville last night, his main objection was the uncompetitive nature of the ESL.

This got me thinking....in reality, when was the last time one of the top six risked relegation from the PL? and also, when was the last time a club originally from league 2 made it to the CL final?

isn't the current situation all based on money anyway? I'll have to look at the list of PL winners from the last 20 years and see if it's a nice mix of clubs.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_seasons

so since 2000 (21 years ago) the only team not in the top six to win a PL title was Leicester City in the 15/16 season.

I'm wondering if kicking them out isn't such a bad idea.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
If it's Chelsea or City, I would put money on it to do with potentially getting expelled from the Champions League. They would've been given assurances they were safe to continue so to hear UEFA say they're looking at kicking them out would've been a shock.

As for the other teams, the backlash from fans, who will try their hardest to remove their owners, won't matter to them so they might as well press on and try and get other teams in the competition.
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TheOracle said:
Listening to Gary Neville last night, his main objection was the uncompetitive nature of the ESL.

This got me thinking....in reality, when was the last time one of the top six risked relegation from the PL? and also, when was the last time a club originally from league 2 made it to the CL final?

isn't the current situation all based on money anyway? I'll have to look at the list of PL winners from the last 20 years and see if it's a nice mix of clubs.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_seasons

so since 2000 (21 years ago) the only team not in the top six to win a PL title was Leicester City in the 15/16 season.

I'm wondering if kicking them out isn't such a bad idea.
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As has been discussed so many times the financial implications are so severe that kicking them out would cripple teams
 
I'm just going to (naively no doubt) throw this out there but isn't this just the natural way football evolves? Bigger challenges, more money?

How did people feel about the champions League when that was announced and the European cup already existed.

Yes this is a closed league but I'm sure after a season or two a qualifying process will no doubt open up and other clubs will have the chance to join. It's not like the club's involved will not play in the national leagues like the premiership.

It will just been more football in the end and that's not a bad thing. Plus the chance to see your own local club or the club that you support get pitted again the best clubs in Europe/ eventually possibly the world fight it out in a yearly league.

I'm not all for it in its current state but it's a pretty awesome idea.

Maybe world football needs to evolve to the next step
 
azazl187 said:
I'm just going to (naively no doubt) throw this out there but isn't this just the natural way football evolves? Bigger challenges, more money?

How did people feel about the champions League when that was announced and the European cup already existed.

Yes this is a closed league but I'm sure after a season or two a qualifying process will no doubt open up and other clubs will have the chance to join. It's not like the club's involved will not play in the national leagues like the premiership.

It will just been more football in the end and that's not a bad thing. Plus the chance to see your own local club or the club that you support get pitted again the best clubs in Europe/ eventually possibly the world fight it out in a yearly league.

I'm not all for it in its current state but it's a pretty awesome idea.

Maybe world football needs to evolve to the next step
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How is it a bigger challenge though? It's just the same teams playing eachother, infact it removes most of the challenge of the prem league because nobody will care about getting top 4. It makes the whole thing pointless
 
TheOracle said:
Listening to Gary Neville last night, his main objection was the uncompetitive nature of the ESL.

This got me thinking....in reality, when was the last time one of the top six risked relegation from the PL? and also, when was the last time a club originally from league 2 made it to the CL final?

isn't the current situation all based on money anyway? I'll have to look at the list of PL winners from the last 20 years and see if it's a nice mix of clubs..
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I said the same thing last night, League One teams can hardly even break into the Championship because the financial gulf in salaries is too big and even if they have a team of wonder players "bigger clubs" will just circle like vultures and give them better contracts even if they don't play them in their first team. The strong remain strong and the weak remain weak.

It might be possible within the current structure for a League Two team to reach or even win the Premier League but in reality it's rigged against it.
 
azazl187 said:
I'm just going to (naively no doubt) throw this out there but isn't this just the natural way football evolves?
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Football has been slowly moving in this direction for decades, the difference here is that we've gone from taking 1 step every 3-6 years to taking 10 steps forward overnight.

It seems to have been forgotten about in the last couple of days but the planned changes to the CL, which have now been approved, were another step on the journey - UEFA had already agreed to give a bigger slice of the pie to the biggest sides & provide them with more security through the new coefficient qualification spots. I mentioned it yesterday, these plans were considered terrible a week ago and now they're considered to be the saviour of football.
 
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