Neville, Murphy, Sutton, Linekar and all the usual pundits they wheel out can come out and say whatever they like...they'll still fly to Qatar though next season wont they. They are all hypocrits frankly and they'll just look after their wallet.
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Neville, Murphy, Sutton, Linekar and all the usual pundits they wheel out can come out and say whatever they like...they'll still fly to Qatar though next season wont they. They are all hypocrits frankly and they'll just look after their wallet.
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Of course they both will. Players move to smaller clubs, worse leagues etc just to get more pay. Almost everyone is money driven to some degree and very few people say no to more money for similar work.
This is why it all smacks of hypocrisy. Players are mercenary, clubs are ruthless, fans are fickle. People suddenly have very strong morals when they aren't the ones benefitting from something.
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I wonder what level of bank balance you get to before you lose sense of reality? I mean they are all wealthy people and can easily come out and be national legends by saying "I will never take part" and they will still be well off enough to enjoy life and carry on in the sport. Always been curious, I guess as a mere peasant I will never know, I am glad they decide all the rules these rich people.
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I'd like to think people get to a certain point where they are so financially secure they can allow themselves to have a little morality.
Let's say you have earned enough to buy a huge house, numerous cars, holiday villas, no debts, family are all sorted......you don't actually need mega money. You just need enough to be able to carry on living a certain lifestyle.
I'd like to think a lot of the footballers in the top six are this way.
Then there's the owners, who despite having billions....they want more, and more, and more.
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I think this whole situation is just a reflection of modern life tbh
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Take the Glazers for example. They could quite easily pay off United debt and still be filthy rich but choose not too. They have invested nothing into the club since their takeover and very little has been spent on the ground. It has capacity but the whole experience is becoming worn out and old.
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is that the ex president of real madrid on sky news?
very interesting what he's saying about these clubs over spending on silly wages and getting themselves into a financial mess
very interesting what he's saying about these clubs over spending on silly wages and getting themselves into a financial mess
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A lot of the time they are born in to it. Their concept of reality doesn't exist. To them the whole idea of how a club can be a person's life and enjoyment means nothing to them. I think they just want to be god's.
Nice idea but the fact millionaire international players abandoned the PL and went to ply their trade in China (before they starting putting more limits in) kind of illustrates that money talks.
Money is a funny thing, history shows that rich people like to accumulate more wealth, I mean say you are a billionaire (richer than any footballer), why even bother to keep working, just put your feet up? Yet they still do.
I see this myself at a microlevel. Money after a while just becomes numbers on a computer screen, you have no real sense of how much you have, you don't have gold ingots filling up your living room. I know I want to earn more money, it's almost like a sense of achievement/recognition as much as the money, but I don't really change my lifestyle significantly when I do, I just build up more savings and investments. As I said, I'm at a microlevel, my total assets are nowhere near big enough to retire or anything like that but I can imagine I'd feel the need to keep earning more money even if I say inherited $1m.
And this is before you start considering people that do want to change their lifestyle, they want to continue pursuing ever more exotic things to get the same highs. A £500k supercar is no longer enough, they want the £3m one. That £100k holiday was nice but the guy who owns the golf club just took a £200k holiday that looks pretty sweet. It's gonna be pretty embarrassing if I don't lay on at least 50 instagram models at the next players party, etc.
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Exactly I am sure 99% of us on here if asked they could double their income (which essentially the ESL could be) but have to do something morally wrong but legal in the process they wouldn't bat an eye lid.
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The Grimsby Town shirt swap has gone into over drive. 
Looks like more united than anyone else
Looks like more united than anyone else
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I am one of your 1% then.
Ignore me I didn't realise Bayern confirmed.
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Yeah, me too
I mean if someone said to me, you can have a 100% payrise but you need to fire your best employee.....nah, couldn't do it
It would depend what you meant by morally wrong. Is (legally) minimising the amount of tax you pay morally wrong compared to just leaving things at default and paying a truckload? I might do that, but equally I might bat an eyelid at e.g. accepting cash off a friends partner to turn a blind eye to their adultery. And different people have different moral compasses, it could be that a footballer doesn't even consider this sort of thing to be morally wrong, they see it as exercising their right as an elite professional to ply their trade in the most lucrative environment. History and tradition for example might be considered as a moral issue by some, but not by others.
Good example. At a previous employer, I was being pressured (not extensively, gently probed) to give one of my team a substandard rating so an arbitrary target could be hit. I said I wasn't comfortable with that as I didn't feel they deserved it and instead they should give me the substandard rating instead (which would impact my personal remuneration) if they wanted to hit the numbers.
Admittedly it wouldn't have halved my pay but not all morals are equal.
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Once people aren't on the poverty line they tend to have far more morals than the super rich.
If this was the case we wouldn't have multi billionaires. Part of the issue is that people who are driven to make millions are usually the sort of person who is also driven to make more money if they can.
I think you are being far too generous. The fact that players are getting the wages they are tells you how many players are in it for the pure love of the game. Some are, and will stay with a club they like over getting paid more elsewhere but most aren't. Most would abandon the club they supported as a boy to earn another few million over their career.
They are billionaires for a reason. You simply cannot be a billionaire and have much in the way of morals. You can perhaps change once you are super rich but you have to be ruthless and a scumbag to make billions while paying your staff as little as possible, avoiding tax, "lobbying" etc. Look at COVID and the number of companies that have fired and furloughed staff simply to make sure they can still pay their shareholders huge amounts and their executives nice bonuses.
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Live stream of Chelsea fans.
Petr Cech has been out to tell them to let the bus through and they will "sort it out".