The New European Super (borefest) League

Pigeon_Killer · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:03

wildman said:
I don't think this is the end. It's just the closing of chapter 1. All the owners will still be in place and I would think they will have another go in the future.

Yep. In the short term, they'll all increase season ticket prices, they'll all provide their managers with less transfer money and they'll all get rid of staff now. It'll become a massive PR exercise to force the supporters to get on board.

JediFragger · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:03

Pigeon_Killer said:
No apology for dragging their clubs names through the mud and no apology to the staff or supporters.

Yup it tells its own story for sure, owners are bitterly disappointed. Am kinda glad about that.

BaZ87 · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:03

wildman said:
I don't think this is the end. It's just the closing of chapter 1. All the owners will still be in place and I would think they will have another go in the future.

They've gone to far this time for them to try again in the near future. It'll be 5+ years before they'll try this again but they will, unless things are changed that prevent them.

Azza · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:05

Jokester said:
Will be interesting to see what blowback the English 6 get from the other clubs still left.

Probably absolutely nothing now. That's something that's going to rile me more than the ambition of trying to do this.

wildman · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:05

BaZ87 said:
They've gone to far this time for them to try again in the near future. It'll be 5+ years before they'll try this again but they will, unless things are changed that prevent them.

agreed, I didn't mean the near future as that would be suicide. However if nothing changes in the next few years they will just go again and basically cite the lack of change as the driver and would likely end up with more support in that case.

jonneymendoza · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:05

haha they've all withdrawn!!! all the english clubs LOL

mysticsniper · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:05

BaZ87 said:
They've gone to far this time for them to try again in the near future. It'll be 5+ years before they'll try this again but they will, unless things are changed that prevent them.

Would need to see how feasible is the German model, with fan owned part of the club?

jaybee · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:07

Reading the BBC article it sounds like Spurs and Arsenal were the only ones that actually apologised in their statements. Let's see.

wildman · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:10

mysticsniper said:
Would need to see how feasible is the German model, with fan owned part of the club?

and how is that going to happen ? I don't think governments can legislate for that and keep a serious face as it is basically forcing change of ownership of a private enterprise. Also how many people who would support said forced change of ownership were in full support of corbyns crackpot idea of forced house acquisitions in London from wealthy second owners to provide homes to the less well off ? you can't say you like one of those and not the other as they are basically the same thing in principle.

Plus the current Tory government will never interfere in this way as they love free market competition, it's what they basically sold the brexit dream on, so I can't see this happening as who is going to force those filthy weasels to sell 51% of their holdings to the fans when they are still rinsing millions out of them ?

jonneymendoza · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:10

mysticsniper said:
Would need to see how feasible is the German model, with fan owned part of the club?

Not that great tbh. Bayern still wipe the floor of everyone in that league

Pigeon_Killer · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:11

Just read UEFA have offered the 6 English clubs more money but not the 3 Spanish clubs

https://twitter.com/x/status/1384631271268265989

How do you embed Tweets? :mad:

Azza · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:12

Pigeon_Killer said:
Just read UEFA have offered the 6 English clubs more money but not the 3 Spanish clubs

Spanish teams will just avoid paying taxes again.

Somnambulist · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:14

Pretty elaborate farce just to get a bit more money from UEFA then.

Pudney · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:15

wildman said:
and how is that going to happen ? I don't think governments can legislate for that and keep a serious face as it is basically forcing change of ownership of a private enterprise. Also how many people who would support said forced change of ownership were in full support of corbyns crackpot idea of forced house acquisitions in London from wealthy second owners to provide homes to the less well off ? you can't say you like one of those and not the other as they are basically the same thing in principle.

Plus the current Tory government will never interfere in this way as they love free market competition, it's what they basically sold the brexit dream on, so I can't see this happening as who is going to force those filthy weasels to sell 51% of their holdings to the fans when they are still rinsing millions out of them ?

It would be quite easy to legislate using a public interest argument. Football clubs are more than just a private enterprise as they tend to be integral part of a community and using a "Fan Ownership Trust" that anyone could buy an equal share in and which controls 51% of the voting shares (maybe not entitled to dividends or other rights though) in a football club would be easy to do.

Whether a government would want to do it is different.

Edit: and a Fan Ownership Trust wouldn't really set a precedent given recent years increased support for Employee Ownership and co-operative models.

BaZ87 · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:15

Surely that's not true. I could imagine there were desperate talks behind the scenes from all involved and possible concessions made by UEFA but they can't offer something to one set of clubs and not another.

mysticsniper said:
Would need to see how feasible is the German model, with fan owned part of the club?

I'm not sure of the legalities of forcing this onto privately owned clubs but something needs to change.

wildman · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:16

those spanish clubs should just be declared insolvent and put into administration. It is clear that their debts outstrip their assets so they are technically non viable.

BaZ87 · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:18

Pigeon_Killer said:
How do you embed Tweets?

Click the media button (next to images) and then put the link it.

Pudney · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:18

BaZ87 said:
I'm not sure of the legalities of forcing this onto privately owned clubs but something needs to change.

We don't have an inherent constitution or bill of rights. If something needs to be made legal parliament can do so if they want to.

omnomnom · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:19

BaZ87 said:
You need to keep Joe Anderson in your sig forever @Richarlison

I cant guarantee a lot...but I can promise you now. You have my full permission to ban me forever if I change it.

It does come with a clause. Joe might change his pose every so often.

Pigeon_Killer · 20 Apr 2021 at 23:19

BaZ87 said:
I'm not sure of the legalities of forcing this onto privately owned clubs but something needs to change.

More importantly, how would it work? We were valued at well over 2 billion last year so would it be a case of the supporters having to stump up 1 billion?

BaZ87 said:
Click the media button (next to images) and then put the link it.

Tried that a few times and the preview never shows anything.

Edit: Oh, preview doesn't show anything but posting it does.