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Ticket booked for the final area 136 row 1, right above the boxed
People still pushing that even though the new stadium would be where loads of grad listed victorian stuff is...New training ground in the works now the Newcastle board is recommending a new 70k stadium /cough69k
Leisure, business and retail complex at Strawberry place.
Newcastle leaning towards building a new stadium next to St James’ Park
Exclusive: Board understood to be on verge of recommending £1.2 billion project for new home overlapping current Leazes Stand footprintwww.telegraph.co.uk
even the Bust of the guy who opened the park is sitting inside the supposed new stadium...
it literally takes away half of the park as well, the part where people can enjoy in the summer.
theres no other grass fields in the park apart from the old bowling green.
surely theres literally 0 chance, meanwhile theres loads of moors within 10-20minutes walk that only feed cows.
They should never have let the university build on the old brewery site
but who knows maybe saudi can buy and erase our history
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The most recent and most likely proposals pinch a bit of the park, yes. I'd imagine though that things would be done with some sympathy for the history.
I'd be happy with a park extending into where SJP now stands. If done right it could be way more accessible, central and useful than the current Leazes park.
I'd be happy with a park extending into where SJP now stands. If done right it could be way more accessible, central and useful than the current Leazes park.
it literally takes the part where all the old Victorian trade listed stuff is.
it's not like there's anywhere in the park they could even move it to, there's no other large green space..
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Yet. That's what I'm saying. Should the stadium move in that direction, it potentially allows for the creation of some green space on the footprint of the existing stadium plot.
surrounded by high rise student flats, traffic noise etc, perfect place for part of a park...
it would be a bit that no one ever uses ever, then the city sells it to northumbria uni
if you really want to decimate the park the standium kinda has to me more central in the park but its not really possible because of how small the park is.
I doubt people realise how much smaller the park would be if it ever happens. the stadium would cast a constant shadow over the whole park as well, it's not flat the stadium would be on a hill
From the images so far it seems the stadium would basically take over everything thats not above the white line, which is basically half the park
Yellow is grade listed, I skipped the house since it needs demolishing anyway, but its also grade listed.
where you supposed to move them to?
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I imagine options would become clear if and when any plans are submitted, as clearly we're speculating until such a time, but as before, on land reclaimed from the old stadium. Combined with existing park land not used in any new plans. General area available would be pretty much the same as it is now.surrounded by high rise student flats, traffic noise etc, perfect place for part of a park...
it would be a bit that no one ever uses ever, then the city sells it to northumbria uni
if you really want to decimate the park the standium kinda has to me more central in the park but its not really possible because of how small the park is.
I doubt people realise how much smaller the park would be if it ever happens. the stadium would cast a constant shadow over the whole park as well, it's not flat the stadium would be on a hill
From the images so far it seems the stadium would basically take over everything thats not above the white line, which is basically half the park
Yellow is grade listed, I skipped the house since it needs demolishing anyway, but its also grade listed.
where you supposed to move them to?
Being surrounded by flats would surely make it much more attractive, an oasis of green amongst the concrete. Is that not the point of a city centre park?
yea because people want to sunbathe surrounded by windows and traffic fumes?
have you ever actually been n the park in the summer? where the stadium is supposed to go is where everyone sunbathes it's always packed
I don't know why they don’t just extend the Gallowgate end over Strawberry Place, you could still keep the road there. Last extension added about 15,000 so you would think this could add another 5 to 8,000 seats. If they are selling their star players to bigger clubs, meekly surrendering cup finals and kicking about in the upper mid table region trying to grab the for the glory of Uefa's minor comps and playing Thursday and Sunday every week in a few years time then a 60,000 capacity should be more than enough.
Cost of investment and return. The new stadium will drive retail and corporate investment and Match day revenue.
New training ground and stadium is vital since the owners can’t invest constantly in the team yet. World class facilities also attracts players. You want to compete with the richer clubs then you need to do it off the field as well.
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Plenty empty shop spaces around that end of town when I was there last, don't know which retailers would be queuing up to take on a lease in a building used once per week. Sports Direct might 
A stadium extension will get them a far quicker return on investment although the last extension cost 42 mil and that was nearly 30 years ago. Even at a grand a ticket that may only pull in 8m, which is probably half what Bruno earns in a year. Agree they need the training facilities.
I've a feeling this current proposal is a Trumpian method of diplomacy. Give them the absolute worst case scenario then any compromise you make looks like a win for them.
A stadium extension will get them a far quicker return on investment although the last extension cost 42 mil and that was nearly 30 years ago. Even at a grand a ticket that may only pull in 8m, which is probably half what Bruno earns in a year. Agree they need the training facilities.
I've a feeling this current proposal is a Trumpian method of diplomacy. Give them the absolute worst case scenario then any compromise you make looks like a win for them.
Liverpool redevelopment was over 100million and the economy was in a better proposition. They also don’t face the issues St James does.
You be lucky of St.James refurb comes in under 500million.
This years figures will show why a retail, entertainment and corporate facility’s matter.
I really don’t need to state the benefits of a new stadium. Even more so on one that doesn’t have to be financed by loans.
You be lucky of St.James refurb comes in under 500million.
This years figures will show why a retail, entertainment and corporate facility’s matter.
I really don’t need to state the benefits of a new stadium. Even more so on one that doesn’t have to be financed by loans.
Money talks.
Given Newcastle Council have just had to take direct control of the parks back and there's a massive financial black hole in their funding there may not be any choice but to approve redevelopment of a part of 1 park to save the 60 odd other green spaces they're responsible for.
Given Newcastle Council have just had to take direct control of the parks back and there's a massive financial black hole in their funding there may not be any choice but to approve redevelopment of a part of 1 park to save the 60 odd other green spaces they're responsible for.
Yes I've been to the park in the summer. I would be even more likely to if it extended a little more centrally, too. We're talking shifting things a few hundred metres. Fumes aren't going to be any different, and there's plenty potential room to sunbathe. Excuse my artwork, but IMO a park here, combined with the existing lake etc is just as good if not better than the current location.
It ended up around £200m in total for the 2 phases and both contractors went bust. Anfield was (and still is) pinned in by rows of terraced houses so it wasn't without it's challenges.
Looking at the image above, I believe I'm right in thinking that the buildings behind the East Stand are listed - assuming there will be no fiddle to get around that then I fail to see how any meaningful expansion could take place there, leaving just the Gallowgate stand. I'm not sure what the capacity of that stand currently is however Liverpool's new Anfield Road stand now holds around 16000 which would give you a rough idea of what the Gallowgate stand could be increased too.
Ultimately overall capacity is pretty meaningless. Liverpool's match day revenue in a 45k seater stadium was around £60m, this season with a full season of 60k will probably be close to £120m. Demand for tickets still massively outstrips supply so the club can get away with selling pretty rubbish hospitality offerings for upwards of £400 per match. The only way Newcastle will see big growth in match day revenue is if demand for tickets is so high that they can push ordinary fans, wanting to buy a £40-50 ticket, into buying thousands of £400 tickets per match. You only have to look at West Ham to see that. A 62k capacity and match day revenue of £45m.
AFAIK it's the corporate/hospitality facilities that would benefit most from a change of stadium. That's where the potential is for increasing matchday earnings. We could definitely do with increasing the general capacity too though, but the immediate benefit of that isn't really a financial one.
For a common supporter like me the biggest advantage of a new stadium is for there to be a reset of seating arrangements. The atmosphere, in common with most clubs nowadays, is really poor most of the time. There's so many there who might have made a noise in the past who are past all that and sit on their hands most of the time. The noisy are mixed with those who would rather remain silent.
I head an anecdotal report of someone being asked to clap more quietly at a recent game. How true that is I don't know, but there's lots of situations where people are asked to sit down as they are spoiling someone's view. Not a recipe for a great atmosphere.
A new stadium would allow for a rethink and a refresh. I'd love to see the idea of allocated seats/standing get binned on certain sections, allowing the loud and boisterous to gather together, and those who'd prefer to quietly sit to enjoy themselves to have that option too.
For a common supporter like me the biggest advantage of a new stadium is for there to be a reset of seating arrangements. The atmosphere, in common with most clubs nowadays, is really poor most of the time. There's so many there who might have made a noise in the past who are past all that and sit on their hands most of the time. The noisy are mixed with those who would rather remain silent.
I head an anecdotal report of someone being asked to clap more quietly at a recent game. How true that is I don't know, but there's lots of situations where people are asked to sit down as they are spoiling someone's view. Not a recipe for a great atmosphere.
A new stadium would allow for a rethink and a refresh. I'd love to see the idea of allocated seats/standing get binned on certain sections, allowing the loud and boisterous to gather together, and those who'd prefer to quietly sit to enjoy themselves to have that option too.
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Our biggest problem is the amount of corporate boxes/tickets we have, isn’t in the same league as the likes of Liverpool/Manu/Arsenal/Spurs or City. We have a season ticket waiting list of around 14k, but even if the rumoured new stadium capacity is 68k the vast majority of those new tickets will be corporate boxes/Areas.
The club will get a good bump from season ticket revenues this coming season anyway, as a lot of season ticket holders have been on a price freeze for the last 14 years(one of the only things Ashley did right), which ends at the end of this season. Im expecting my season ticket to increase at least 55% from £460 to at least £710, which would still work out at under £40 a ticket.
Increasing the availability of hospitality tickets doesn't mean they'll sell. Newcastle, just like Liverpool aren't going to have thousands upon thousands of people that actively want to buy £400 tickets which get you a free canteen style meal, a HT drink and a program, they're not in London after all. The only way a significant number of these tickets sell is when demand for tickets outstrips supplier by so much that you only require a small percentage of ticketless fans to be wiling and can afford to pay £400 as a one off.
Liverpool could have expanded Anfield quicker than they have and while not easy, they could expand further but they decided to take as long as they did and stopped at 61k because they believe that's the optimum number. Increasing capacity further won't result in a meaningful increase in match day revenue and could even result in reduced revenue. As soon as more £50 tickets become available, demand for those £400 tickets reduces. The only way Anfield is expanded further is when demand increases even further, so that an extra 5k tickets won't result in fewer corporate sales. And to put the level of demand needed into perspective, I have to buy a membership just for the opportunity to apply for the chance to buy a ticket. It's essentially a lottery of around 3k tickets each game. I applied for tickets for all but 3 home matches last season and didn't get a single ticket. The closest I came was 14400 in the waiting list, the next closest was over 30k on the waiting list. As a result I twice paid for these ridiculous hospitality packages, something I didn't want to do but it was the only way to get a ticket and I could afford to do it. Not every supporter that misses out on a £50 ticket can afford to do this though.
I don't want to **** on your chips but as I said in my earlier post, look at West Ham. They've got this 62k seater modern stadium with all the facilities in the world and they're in London but their matchday revenue shows you that they're just isn't the demand for West Ham to increase general admission prices or sell loads of hospitality packages.
I'm not entirely sure where Newcastle sit in this but my gut feeling is they're not going to see as big of an impact from a new stadium as some of your fans think. I'm sure you'll sell more tickets and there will be more hospitality tickets sold but I don't think we're going to be seeing Newcastle posting £100m+ in match day revenue anytime soon.
Forest do the whole membership lottery thing too, I really don't like that system, though I'm too far from home to even consider it anyway.
But for my brother and his 2 boys who still live near Nottingham it's just impractical as well as too expensive to consider when there's no guarantee they'll all get tickets to the same match, if at all.
Re: Newcastle though, living up here it seems there is massive interest in going to matches that isn't currently fulfilled and while being 'off the beaten track' for the tourist market is true, they also don't have anything like the competition for supporters any other club does, pretty much anybody North of the Tyne up to Scotland and pretty far West is going to be a Toon fan because it's the only major club up here across several counties!