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I'm not sure that the next step will be cheating, but i do not believe for 1 second that she decided on the day to have to done.

This isn't the local kwik-e-mart, BOGOF - this was a planned medical procedure.

Any bank statement? (deposit etc) emails?

I wouldn't be arsed about her pre-booking, i've had my eyes done, offered wife procedures (she said no) - did your OH want this done, but felt she couldn't tell you knowing your reaction and so did it behind your back?
 
He's forgiven her despite the fact she's blatantly lied about it not being planned, so she doesn't even need to admit the truth to get forgiveness. Dudes like this then wonder why they're seeing their kids on a Wednesday night and every other weekend. They need to respect you guys, this isn't how you go about it.
 
He's forgiven her despite the fact she's blatantly lied about it not being planned, so she doesn't even need to admit the truth to get forgiveness. Dudes like this then wonder why they're seeing their kids on a Wednesday night and every other weekend. They need to respect you guys, this isn't how you go about it.

Lol, I don't feel the need or have the inclination to elaborate on why I know and have seen evidence to show it wasn't pre-meditated in that way.

I'm probably equally to blame as clearly I appear to have made her feel like we couldn't just have an adult conversation about this; it was an impulse move and a poorly thought out one, but there are things for both of us to work on together from this. I'm happy enough that we'll be able to do that, and in a way more likely be stronger because of it.

If it happens again, then I'm a mug and I'll be getting my coat, I wouldn't be staying with it otherwise.
 
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I'm probably equally to blame in making her feel like we couldn't just have an adult conversation about this; it was an impulse move and a poorly thought out one, but there's things for both of us to work on together from this. I'm happy enough that we'll be able to do that, and in a way more likely be stronger because of it.
I'm not wishing to judge but you came here looking for advice. If it was an impulse move then she could have sent you a text or called you beforehand in case of medical issues. It was hidden from you deliberately. It was unlikely to be an impulse move. She was out of contact for a day when you tried to call/text her. She even lied about staying in the hotel because it was raining. She could have been honest at that point but wasn't.

It's entirely her choice to do it and she doesn't have to tell you or in any way ask permission. But you asked our opinion and It's the lies and cover up which some of us see as major red flags.

Do you really think that you're partly to blame for her lying to you and being deceptive? If you genuinely are controlling in that manner, then you need to stop doing that straight away. But in most cases it's not true. In some cases the innocent partner is somehow made to feel partly responsible for the lies of their partner. Have a really deep think about whether you genuinely think you have been controlling and caused her not be be honest with you. But don't just accept the blame because she wants to divert accountability away from her own actions. Furthermore, if you decide you're not to blame, and if she has tried to divert responsibility for her actions onto you, then again think carefully about whether that is acceptable behaviour.
 
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On a serious note, impulse or not, she would have had sometime before heading in for the procedure to be able to speak to you and tell you, its that part which is playing on my mind, she obviously knew you wouldnt be ok with it.

Id let my partner do whatever she wants to her body, ill put my 2cents in and be done with it. Whether ill be around after the procedure is another story.
 
She didn't need to travel there having booked it explicitly in advance, but she did know why she was travelling there and what she was intending on doing. There's no evidence you can provide that you weren't fully intending on getting something done when clearly you can rock up and get booked in at short notice.

What would the implications for you have been if she had got an infection while over there during a pandemic when you didn't even know what she was doing? Imagine how you would've felt and the stress you would've gone through, yet she decided it was a risk worth taking despite the implications it would've had for you without your input or even awareness.
 
Having actually taken the time to read some of the other comments on the current ‘lipo scandal’... is this the paranoid-olympics or something? :p

The whiff I’m getting here is that the threat to the ego of having your partner cheat on you is apparently as bad as your partner actually cheating on you. That is ridiculously fragile and anyone subconsciously holding that view is a silly sausage. Heaven forbid what happens should you actually even have a falling out with your partner about something which hasn’t actually happened - game over man, game over! Meanwhile, in reality, there is always a risk that a partner will be unfaithful in all relationships and that risk is something we have to accept.

If you want to make it as dumb and black/white as some seem to be suggesting, then there is always some element of emotional dishonesty in a relationship because a relationship requires sacrifice and the choosing of a set of actions (i.e. a preferred partner) rather than another. Ideally we’d all have our cake and eat it, presumably ending up in some ridiculously big national orgy. For what it’s worth, I think it’s rather more complicated than that and that people have a huge competing spectrum of what they want and need from different people at different times.

My key point is this: There is clearly a balance to be made but I suggest that a successful ongoing relationship necessarily requires occasionally acting for your yourself at the expense of the other in the relationship and having the capacity for both individuals to deal with the consequences and forgive each other. Otherwise it’s as I suggest: fragile.

Material perpetual dishonesty in a relationship is clearly a bad thing but if you cannot recovery from an act of insulting dishonesty because of your fragile ego then the relationship should fail tbh and you should build up a bit more self resilience.

Only the OP can properly gauge if there is any ongoing dishonesty / risk and he is free to decide whether to continue to accept risk or not. There is no wrong outcome or poor choice, only an incentive to make the best choices as they present themselves and a bad decision in hindsight is not a bad decision... merely a choice taken.
 
Th cheating stuff is amusing. It's the usual suspects saying it.

Of course it's possible but it's by no means happened.

But the op wasn't an impulse
You don't happen to have a serious op on a split session decision. And if you do, you're an idiot.

There must have been a plan for this. So it's been hidden from you. And that's either her being afraid to tell you, or just not being bothered to tell you.
 
Is there an impulse buy for a playstation 5 or a new pc, your leaverage is amazing right now.

Lol

I'm not wishing to judge but you came here looking for advice. If it was an impulse move then she could have sent you a text or called you beforehand in case of medical issues. It was hidden from you deliberately. It was unlikely to be an impulse move. She was out of contact for a day when you tried to call/text her. She even lied about staying in the hotel because it was raining. She could have been honest at that point but wasn't.

It's entirely her choice to do it and she doesn't have to tell you or in any way ask permission. But you asked our opinion and It's the lies and cover up which some of us see as major red flags.

Do you really think that you're partly to blame for her lying to you and being deceptive? If you genuinely are controlling in that manner, then you need to stop doing that straight away. But in most cases it's not true. In some cases the innocent partner is somehow made to feel partly responsible for the lies of their partner. Have a really deep think about whether you genuinely think you have been controlling and caused her not be be honest with you. But don't just accept the blame because she wants to divert accountability away from her own actions. Furthermore, if you decide you're not to blame, and if she has tried to divert responsibility for her actions onto you, then again think carefully about whether that is acceptable behaviour.

Fair points, and I can see that. I don't think I'm controlling, she's allowed to do her own thing, clearly, but she even said herself she was worried about discussing it with me because I'd expressed a lot of disdain for those sorts of procedures. I clearly hadn't realised how unhappy she was with her appearance, again something for us to discuss at length.
 
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Fair points, and I can see that. I don't think I'm controlling, she's allowed to do her own thing, clearly, but she even said herself she was worried about discussing it with me because I'd expressed a lot of disdain for those sorts of procedures. I clearly hadn't realised how unhappy she was with her appearance, again something for us to discuss at length.

Your partner needs therapy in that case.

Her sister had a nose job and your partner decided to go the Turkey to get lipo. There is clearly a body image issue which needs to be addressed here. Which perhaps runs in their family.

During a time when people are not advised to travel due to a pandemic. If it was that much of an importance to fly to another country to get surgery to boost their own ego and lie to you about it. She has an problem and it needs to be nipped in the bud before it escalates further. One little white lie WILL always lead to another and bigger.

As I said......therapy....
 
I lol'd so hard at the mention of Chad, reddit mentality spreading faster than covid :p

Okay, Brad. In all seriousness, I was just tagging along with the others who were claiming his partner was destined for the BBC.

In reality, I don't think the scenario is a good predictor for that. However, her justification for how it played out being down to her partner showing disdain for those types of procedures is a bit mental. I would imagine most men and women would show disdain for their partner getting cosmetic surgery performed in Turkey.

I hear they're now doing bollock implants, it may be time for one of those without her consent unless it would give you major tripod?
 
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Imagine it was an employee who had claimed that they were going on a business trip to see a really important client and then you found out they had used the trip to cover their travel expenses for a lipo procedure.

Would you sack that employee? Of course you would! Relationships should be no different!
 
Obviously weak minded if she feels the need to get lipo. I guess she’ll be booked in for another session in a few years?

Why couldn’t she just eat better food and exercise? Weaksauce! And a liar to boot.

Do not want.
 
Obviously weak minded if she feels the need to get lipo. I guess she’ll be booked in for another session in a few years?

Why couldn’t she just eat better food and exercise? Weaksauce! And a liar to boot.

Do not want.

People these days don't want to do the work when it comes to weight-loss and take shortcuts to get results.........yesterday. Yes, this mainly applies to women but lets not pretend men don't do it too when taking steroids.
 
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