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Just checked the Quali results. Great to see the NGTC cars up to speed and mixing it with the established teams and S2000 chassis cars.
However, I fear yet another Plato rant this weekend, now about how the NGTC cars are unfairly faster than his out dated Cruze...
However, I fear yet another Plato rant this weekend, now about how the NGTC cars are unfairly faster than his out dated Cruze...
"How can Plato race against cars 5mph faster?"
Easy, his team gets with the times and fits the modern engine. Can't wait for yet another Plato rant against something him and his team actively chose to do.
EDIT: Lol, Restart.
Easy, his team gets with the times and fits the modern engine. Can't wait for yet another Plato rant against something him and his team actively chose to do.
EDIT: Lol, Restart.
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What modern engine? They don't have one. The WTCC cars run a 1.6 turbo. If RML fitted the TOCA unit then I can't see them getting any factory support.
Both the Plato incident and the restart were poor driving by Boardman.
Both the Plato incident and the restart were poor driving by Boardman.
If every other car, including the 1 man and his mechanic teams, can afford to fit the NGTC chassis, then so could the Chevvy teams.
They have admitted that they sat down at the end of last year, compared their options, and knew that taking the pure S2000 route would mean they would have a slower car, but a more complete proven package. Then then chose to take the S2000 route. After doing that, and admitting it to everyone, you simply cannot have the cheek to stand in front of everyone and complain you are slower.
The BMWs are running S2000 engines because BMW won't let anyone running an S2000 chassis run the NGTC engine. The Chevvys are running them because RML CHOSE not to. The only assumption I can make is they knew they could moan enough to make ToCA slow down the Turbo cars. The amateur dramatics seems to be working so far. Cant wait for Platos rant after this one...
The Plato incident was a minor mistake from Boardman, but hey, 'rubbins racing' (I belive Mr Plato like to use that line whenever he punts someone off).
The restart was just careless, but at the end of the day, you need to be prepared for every situation.
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I don't quite understand your comment about Chevy affording to fit the NGTC chassis.
The only NGTC teams are Rob Austin, the Toyota guys and the new Proton. The rest of the turbo runners use an NGTC engine in an S2000 chassis as part of a compromise formula during the transition to NGTC rules.
RML Chevy are using hand me down cars from the WTCC squad. Last years cars got sold to Techspeed.
The only NGTC teams are Rob Austin, the Toyota guys and the new Proton. The rest of the turbo runners use an NGTC engine in an S2000 chassis as part of a compromise formula during the transition to NGTC rules.
RML Chevy are using hand me down cars from the WTCC squad. Last years cars got sold to Techspeed.
The full NGTC cars are NGTC Chassis and Engines
Every other car, except the BMWs and the Chevvys, are S2000 Chassis' adapted to take NGTC engines
The Chevvys and BMWs are S2000 chassis' with S2000 engines.
So if all the other teams can adopt their chassis to take the new engines (the Seat and Mk2 Fords have had 3 different engines in them) why cant the Chevvys?
I fully understand what your saying though, they are taking the full factory spec car from the last few years WTCC. Thats fine, its a complete, well proven package with lots of support. But if you are going to do that knowing you are going to be slower, don't then have the cheek to bitch about being slower. Its not Chevvys choice I have an issue with, its the fact they took it, yet then moan about it.
Here we go, Plato interview.....
'Real fans know its not whinging'. Lol, year right Plato. I used to be a massive fan of Plato. Cheered him to a great title last year. This year they have just all been pathetic. I'm now a fan of Fank Wrathell. A team looking to the future and a guy racing the wheels off the car.
Every other car, except the BMWs and the Chevvys, are S2000 Chassis' adapted to take NGTC engines
The Chevvys and BMWs are S2000 chassis' with S2000 engines.
So if all the other teams can adopt their chassis to take the new engines (the Seat and Mk2 Fords have had 3 different engines in them) why cant the Chevvys?
I fully understand what your saying though, they are taking the full factory spec car from the last few years WTCC. Thats fine, its a complete, well proven package with lots of support. But if you are going to do that knowing you are going to be slower, don't then have the cheek to bitch about being slower. Its not Chevvys choice I have an issue with, its the fact they took it, yet then moan about it.
Here we go, Plato interview.....
'Real fans know its not whinging'. Lol, year right Plato. I used to be a massive fan of Plato. Cheered him to a great title last year. This year they have just all been pathetic. I'm now a fan of Fank Wrathell. A team looking to the future and a guy racing the wheels off the car.
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I get the difference between the cars, thanks. It's not a case of adapting the Chevy to take a new engine - Chevy don't have a 2.0 turbo. As stated above, if they fit the off the shelf TOCA (Swindon) engine they'd likely lose any works backing they have as it's no longer 100% Chevy. It'd take months to develop and prove a Chevy turbo engine. Using the proven S2000 equipment must have looked a better option. There's not been as many turbo engine related issues as I'd have expected this year, then again Honda took a points deduction for a fifth engine this weekend.
I'm a JP fan, but yeah he is whinging a bit. He's also got a convenient memory as regards parity. The Leon TDI had a straight line advantage when he drove it to a championship...
Are any of the other Turbo cars other than Honda running their own developed engine?
The choice was clearly a fully supported S2000 spec, or a full independent S2000/NGTC combination with the ToCA engine.
They chose the S2000 route knowing (and publicly admitting) that it would be slower than if they fitted an NGTC engine. My issue is that rather than admitting this was the wrong decision in terms of speed on the track, they have just set about moaning at every possibility.
And yes, Platos selective memory is getting annoying. When he punts someone off, its "rubbins racing", when someone punts him off, its an unfair move they should be banned forever for. And like you said, hes completely forgotten the Seat TDI years.
The BMWs are a good comparative. They know they are at a disadvantage, and have accepted it, got on with it, and done the best job they could.
The choice was clearly a fully supported S2000 spec, or a full independent S2000/NGTC combination with the ToCA engine.
They chose the S2000 route knowing (and publicly admitting) that it would be slower than if they fitted an NGTC engine. My issue is that rather than admitting this was the wrong decision in terms of speed on the track, they have just set about moaning at every possibility.
And yes, Platos selective memory is getting annoying. When he punts someone off, its "rubbins racing", when someone punts him off, its an unfair move they should be banned forever for. And like you said, hes completely forgotten the Seat TDI years.
The BMWs are a good comparative. They know they are at a disadvantage, and have accepted it, got on with it, and done the best job they could.
Yeah. Check back in the thread as I've detailed them previously. Suffice to say I think only the Vauxhall runners, Tony Hughes' Toyota and the Proton are using the TOCA (Swindon) engine.
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Trying to get back into this after not watching it for a long time. Caught a little bit of it this morning until the gf changed the channel.
What is a good time to catch it?
What is a good time to catch it?
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All day on ITV 4
There's usually three BTCC races, around 12pm, 2:30pm and 5pm with various support events in between.
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I'd rather they spent less time talking to people and more time showing Saturdays races, but apart from that it's good to see them dedicating some serious airtime to motorsport and doing it well.
What? When? Why?
thats a joke, seriously.......the teams have a choice to which engine they use.....so if the turbo cars are faster then why not switch to a turbo powered car.....i know money can be a tite but surly if you win race's it may pay for its self.