*** The Official Elite: Dangerous Thread ***

Buy Elite Dangerous now for £29.99, you do get to play now but don't get Horizons.

Buy Elite Horizons for £39.99, you DONT get to play until horizons is released.

Current owners

Can but Elite Horizons for £29.99, £10 discount for owning Elite dangerous and gets expansion on release.


Either way I don't see the problem you want Elite now its £29.99 and you would also have to purchase horizons at £39.99.

Current owners get horizons for £29.99.

It all works out the same.

I will agree with above poster Elite is a massive shallow puddle, but I think given time it will get deeper. ;)
 
Its nothing like that at all. A better example would be good if you can find one. Partly because Elite is sold online and not in the shops and is an online only game. So i dont see why they couldn't let those people play the base game now? Can you think of a reason?

Because they are still selling Elite-Dangerous, this argument is going nowhere, it doesn't matter what it is compared to, you either pay the money and play now, or you don't, entirely up to you. It is no where near the bad value that you and others are making it out to be.

You can buy the lifetime expansion pass and that essentially preorders all future expansions but you also get access to the base game .....straightaway.

That is, if you're prepared to pay £130

So yeah they could have done it and let horizons preorders access the base game now. Hrmmm...

No, they are still selling the base Elite-Dangerous, giving people who pre-order Horizons access to E-D now is a further slap in the face to everybody who has already bought E-D, they've given you an almost unprecedented amount of notice so you can make a choice, quit moaning about it.

Edit: heres the myriad of options presented in a flowchart the FD developers did on reddit on how to buy Elite :)


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the reddit thread people trying to understand the way FD are doing this price structure so im not the only one Dano :p

Did I say you were? You are however the only one on here who continued to post misinformation when you have already been corrected and keeps on moaning about how it's not fair how you have to either wait to play or pay more, please, go ahead and find me an example of a game that has been out for less than a year that is given away free or at maximum %25 of original RRP (and immediately playable as you seem to think it should be) if you pre-order it's upcoming expansion, good luck.
 
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You need to get your facts straight Dano... and not keep taking the hump because someone says something you dont like!

You are however the only one on here who continued to post misinformation when you have already been corrected and keeps on moaning about how it's not fair

I didn't say its not fair... go find my post where i say that. I said its odd.
Secondly what misinformation? Most of the stuff i have been posting has been questions. How can asking a question be misinformation?

No, they are still selling the base Elite-Dangerous, giving people who pre-order Horizons access to E-D now is a further slap in the face to everybody who has already bought E-D

This argument doesnt hold any water at all because if you pay a bit more money you get access to E:D now with the lifetime expansion pass. So for a lot more money they will let preorder folk play E:D now. Though just those folk who pay a LOT more money....

Yes i can imagine some E:D buyers who only bought the game recently would be a bit annoyed if they found that the Horizons DLC + base game is cheaper and includes access to base game now. Yeah that would be annoying. But thats what happens with games. Base game after a year loses value happens everywhere.....simple market economics.

tbh you come across as a FD pr chap. You've hardly offered any opinion of your own at all...
 
I think whether you agree with the policy FD has implemented or not the amount of disgruntled customers having voiced there opinions on either official or non-official forums points to the fact that FD maybe could have handled this a lot better.

The trouble for me with this: it is an expansion which is pretty much full game pricing. If it is a true expansion then release it at an accepted expansion price (eg, £20), make it so that it needs the base game to run and continue charging full price for base game. Instead they are releasing something which commands "full-game pricing" (or near enough) but isn't a standalone and the base has not dropped in price.

*Disclaimer
Like I said the above viewpoint is IMHO. I am aware that a lot of full games may cost slightly more than Horizons. I am aware I can vote with my feet and don't have to buy it (I currently don't intend to). Please leave any replies, no matter how much you may disagree, free from any passive-agressive and ever so patronising "sounds like you need to play another game" comments.
 
You need to get your facts straight Dano... and not keep taking the hump because someone says something you dont like!
No, I take issue with you posting information that is factually incorrect, please go ahead and inform me as to what facts I have incorrect so I can adjust my responses suitably.

I didn't say its not fair... go find my post where i say that. I said its odd.
Secondly what misinformation? Most of the stuff i have been posting has been questions. How can asking a question be misinformation?

I'm sorry, your opinion that it is overpriced and that £20 would be a fair price isn't you saying it's unfair? My mistake :rolleyes:

This argument doesnt hold any water at all because if you pay a bit more money you get access to E:D now with the lifetime expansion pass. So for a lot more money they will let preorder folk play E:D now. Though just those folk who pay a LOT more money....

Opinion... not factual, see apparently I do post opinions, much as you think I don't, we've even been discussing them...

Yes i can imagine some E:D buyers who only bought the game recently would be a bit annoyed if they found that the Horizons DLC + base game is cheaper and includes access to base game now. Yeah that would be annoying. But thats what happens with games. Base game after a year loses value happens everywhere.....simple market economics.

So what exactly is the problem with FD giving it's potential customers four months notice?

tbh you come across as a FD pr chap. You've hardly offered any opinion of your own at all...

Apart from correcting you on price, content and access everything I have said is opinion, if you are taking it as something other then that's your issue, not mine.

I'm still eagerly awaiting your example as requested by the way :)
 
Guys, is this game easy to get into or is it a bit of a slog?
There is a bit of a learning curve and some things will require a bit of practice.
You will need to put in a few hours, to pick everything up and you will need to put a modicum of thought into a few things - How gravity affects you, for example.
Beyond that, there are plenty of tutorial vids and comprehensive manuals (with pretty pictures) that will help. This is not just a plug & play space shooter, but there are rewards for putting the effort in and getting a bit geeky over all the details.

FD really lucked out when making this game because people cant argue with that because heck space is supposed to be empty hehe.
Wasn't the original along similar lines, though...?
You have a bunch of stuff you can do and the rest is down to your own imagination...?

So you dont get to play the base game either? wow didnt know that. So spend money buying horizons now and not even able to play base Elite wow :(
Horizions is an expansion pack.
So just like WoW, Eve and all those others, you buy the base game and then buy the expansions. I've not played those myself, but the pricing structure is apparently about the same.
Unlike all the others, Elite doesn't have an additional subscription fee.

So is now a good time to jump on this bandwagon spaceship
I don't see why not.
You still get a reasonable deal on the Lifetime Expansion thing, which will pay off several years down the line when you've had more than £120 worth of expansions released.

This game worth getting? I was worried that there isn't enough content and enough to do with it. Should I really be waiting for Horizons?
Buy now, save money. Buy later, pay full price...
I think it's worth it. Given that I've been playing pretty much non-stop (aside from a quick distraction with the Wolfensteins) since about this time last year, I think there's plenty to keep you occupied.

the way they implemented the unwanted PowerPlay guff puts me right off that idea, they really dropped the ball there with that stuff AFAIC:(
It's not mandatory participation, though.
Either way, Elite is political and faction-based. PowerPlay just offers rewards for more active participation and higher risks.
 
I've been toying with the idea of buying ED for a couple of weeks but all this talk of having to pay for new expansions at £40 is putting me off :s

Will it still be playable when the new versions are released?

Also, what do people recommend for a new player? Is there a demo? And will I need a joystick to make the most of it? :D
 
Will it still be playable when the new versions are released?

Yes, you just won't get the game features (eg, planetary landings) that the expansion introduces.

Also, what do people recommend for a new player?
IMO its worth carrying out the basic in-game tutorials so at least you can launch, fly around and dock safely. After that its a bit of a sandbox. If you are worried about getting attacked by other players then play in solo, start small with a little trading and courier missions from the in-game bulletin board and build your funds and experience up.

And will I need a joystick to make the most of it?
Not necessarily. Many people use a joypad (I use MS 360 one and its fine). Certain sadists use a mouse and keyboard, many dedicated simmers and those who like the game enough will invest in a HOTAS combo and swear by it.
 
Buy now, save money. Buy later, pay full price...
I think it's worth it. Given that I've been playing pretty much non-stop (aside from a quick distraction with the Wolfensteins) since about this time last year, I think there's plenty to keep you occupied.

Depends.

If they buy now, it will be £29.99.
If they then choose to buy into Horizons, it will be either another £39.99 or £29.99 to get it.

If they wait till horizons has landed (pun intended) in December, it will be £39.99 all in.

Really does depend on how eager they are to get stuck into the online sensation that is ED
 
I've been toying with the idea of buying ED for a couple of weeks but all this talk of having to pay for new expansions at £40 is putting me off :s
As mentioned, the way I figure it is that many other games also charge the same for their expansions.
Based on how Elite has gone so far, even just the base game gets free updates and additions. Horizons is so big though (whole bunch of scaled planets, etc) that you need it as a 'separate' game expansion.

And will I need a joystick to make the most of it? :D
Depends on your tastes.
There are relatively inexpensive sticks you could get, too...

If they wait till horizons has landed (pun intended) in December, it will be £39.99 all in.
What, ED and Horizons for £40 total?
Still sounds a bit off...
 
Get a HOTAS of some sort, it really adds to it :) I use the X52Pro which I find great but there have been a lot of issues with build quality recently from what I read, also be aware that the profiling software is currently having issues with Windows 10, it's not a major issue but can be annoying.
 
What would you recommend? I used to love space sims with a stick, I'm getting nostalgic already!

I dug out my X52 from my FS days and set it up on ED (still around £100 I think)

I only use the keyboard for UI, everything else is via the HOTAS.

It makes the game completely immersive.... When you dock at a station after after being out n about kicking it up, it really is like taking a break... LOL
 
I have a Logitech Attack 3 which is relatively simple and I basically use it for flight, targeting, yaw using two hat buttons (it has no twist axis) and weapons. Everything else is on the keyboard which you can get quite proficient with after a while. It's as said above. A universe sized shallow puddle at the moment. There's lots to do but its all very similar. They need to build in more support for doing other things. Bounty Hunter Licences so you can do that without running the risk of becoming a criminal in some jurisdictions for example. They could do so much more but seem intent on DLC for it all which saddens me. Also, £130 for an unspecified number of expansions with unknown features? You mad Bro?
 
What would you recommend? I used to love space sims with a stick, I'm getting nostalgic already!

Depends mainly on four things...

How much do you want to spend?
How much do you want to spend?
How much do you want to spend?
And how much do you want to spend?

There are loads of low-end models, some with full-on throttles, others with just slidey tabs.
I personally favoured a Saitek Cyborg FLY 5, although the construction is a bit flimsy.
Others would recommend the Thrustmaster or Speedlink Black Widow types, which are pretty good entry level ones.

Mid-range is pretty much dominated by Saitek. However, they are now owned by MadCatz and build quality is often a factor.

The X52 and especially X52 Pro are pretty much the benchmark models and the ones Elite's cockpit is modelled on. Pretty good and often more expensive than the newer X55.
The X55 is a lovely idea, poorly designed, poorly scaled and poorly made in very cheap plastic, with many reports of models and several subsequent replacements failing. Saitek/MadCatz have a very good repair/replacement service but the downside is that they've had lots of practice to get it thus.
The X65 is pretty much the same basic model, but with a non-tilting stick and a few extras on the throttle. Not many takers on this one and not even tried it myself.

At the top end:
Thrustmaster make THE joystick to have - The Warthog. This is an exact copy of the real A-10 controls, where every switch works. Solid build, heavy metal switches, very very good. However, costs a bomb and isn't to everyones' taste. I found it a bit OTT and the split between the two throttle sliders was very uncomfortable after a while. The stick movement is solid and smooth, though I'm not an amazing fan of the palm rest.


My personal recommendation, because this is what I ended up with, is a set of CH Products controls.
These are sold separately, but the basic setup would be a Combatstick or Fighterstick (I have the FS) along with the Pro Throttle. Some people go for the Rudder Pedals as well, although they're not neccesary.
They look weird and 80s, because they are, but the fact is that the ones people bought back in the 80s are still in use today. CH even offered a free upgrade to USB for existing owners and they're solid as a rock. They also use off-the-shelf parts, so you can even repair them yourself if you choose. They seem like lightweight, cheap plastic to the touch, yet you can still feel how precisely they were made.

No fancy lights, just very good functionality. The stick is extremely simple and lightweight, which allows for effortless precision, while the throttle is packed with features. It seems weird to begin with, but you quickly find these have every control you could want and in all the right locations - Based on trying all those above, I bought this expecting to mod the hell out of it... After a year of use, all the modding bits I bought are still sat in their packets, unopened!

I can't tell you where, but you can search online and find a CH set for under £200.
 
They could do so much more but seem intent on DLC for it all which saddens me. Also, £130 for an unspecified number of expansions with unknown features? You mad Bro?
They said from the beginning that it would be a mix of paid big expansions and free smaller additions. I was a bit shocked at the price, but calmed down when I saw how much similar games charge!!

£120, assuming you have the game, would only pay for 3 seasons of expansions. This is supposedly planned out for the next 10 years, so even if they only do 1 expansion a year, that's £400 vs the Pass cost of £130.... It's a lot upfront, but even I relented...
 
I bought it fairly recently, paid about £27 iirc which I was happy with.

Not sure how I feel about the Horizons add on price. Perhaps as more details come out about what exactly will be included and timelines for this (maybe i've missed the detail, not difficult) I'll reserve judgement, but as a gut feel at the moment it seems around £10 too much for current players.

If they'd priced it in the £20 for existing owners bracket i'd probably just have bought it right away. £40 complete for those picking it up as the expansion is released seems ok, the base game has now been out for a while after all.


Encountered my first bit of proper lag last night - exiting a station and another player just appeared right in front of me, bouncing both ships around and earning (I assume) us both a fine. He also got very upset about it, despite the fact both ships were fine - Bit annoying but the first time i've had it so far.
 
No, I take issue with you posting information that is factually incorrect, please go ahead and inform me as to what facts I have incorrect so I can adjust my responses suitably.

Normally if someone makes a claim about something they have to post evidence/proof. So yeah i'm waiting for you to post the proof.

I'm sorry, your opinion that it is overpriced and that £20 would be a fair price isn't you saying it's unfair? My mistake :rolleyes:

Yes it is your mistake. Quote me where i said it was unfair. Otherwise have your rolleyes right back :rolleyes:
I couldnt give a monkeys about how much it is thats not the issue. The issue presently is about their decision to lock out access to the base game to folk who preorder Horizons...even though the base game has been out for ages and its an online only game. I found that odd...and for some reason you decide to take issue with that.

Curiously enough they dont lock out a new customer if they decide to pay megabucks £130 for the Lifetime expansion pass. Thats also a preorder and yet they will have access to the base game straight away.

So what exactly is the problem with FD giving it's potential customers four months notice?

It makes zero financial sense to buy Elite now if you want to play it now. Best option is to wait until the holidays and buy Horizons then you get access to Horizons and Elite base game at a cheaper price than you would if you bought just Elite now AND you also have access to season 2 content.

If you just buy Elite because hey you want to play it now not in 4 months then you will also have to buy Horizons in 4 months which makes it rather more expensive. I know you are going to reply with "no-one is forcing you to buy Horizons" and thats true but i would say Horizons content is content that is sorely needed in the Elite universe because unfortunately there is not a lot of content!

Apart from correcting you on price, content and access everything I have said is opinion, if you are taking it as something other then that's your issue, not mine.

Correcting me on something means i've claimed or stated that it is X and you have corrected me. Show me where i've done anything of the kind. This is your chance to shut me up and get an apology so go look through my posts :p

All i have done is ask questions and commented on decisions made by FD which i think are odd.

You have some high and mighty attitude btw lol

I'm still eagerly awaiting your example as requested by the way :)

Still waiting for you to post your example. I asked you first lol.
 
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