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'Jon Jones landed 102 strikes, 75 of which FightMetric classified as significant. "Shogun" tallied 11 strikes for the entire fight. He attempted 42.'

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As i said rewatch the fight and tell me if what i said is not true, jones comes out swinging and misses every shot for the 30 seconds, no ifs no buts.

Then it's ground game until about 1.45 where jones lands a dubious knee to the head, which was bordering on illegal as I'm sure shogun still had one hand on the mat.

He then lands a good left hook, the rest of the flurry hits gloves bar a push kick. He then continues to throw some when they separate wildly miss missing.

Quick muay thai clinch at 1.13 hitting arms.

Then wild strike then decent body shot, knee then again to the arms.

Shogun comes back with a bit of a flurry, 34 seconds left jones does another wild spinning elbow and totally misses, and shogun attempts a leg lock which is easily defended.

I think a lot of the strikes what you are getting confused with is jones just pushing off with a open hand, he seems to do it a lot to keep the distance.

I'm not going to describe every round, but for me his wild stand up has a lot of potential to put him into a lot of trouble. It also wastes a lot of energy.
 
The knee to head was close. I think Shogun did lift his hand up in time though.

No doubt, there are things Jones can improve. Striking as Sven has stated but I think his height and reach compensates for his lack of technique.
His cardio could be improved. Not to say he gassed in the Shogun fight. I think he was just calm and composed, taking his time. Though he has looked tired going on into the 3rd rounds in the past. Bonnar fight for example, even though that was 2 years ago lol. Especially now he has the 4th and 5th rounds to go, he could definitely improve his cardio.
 
jrwagh333 said:
Because the whole point of a 'kicking' strike is to be able to strike your opponent at a distance away so not being able to be punched in return.
That wouldn't work with Jones. If Shogun had thrown any leg-kicks he would have been EASILY countered by a straight-right-hand from Jones
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For starters, what happened anyway, Shogun was finished by strikes.. so why not even try and attempt to take away Jones' base? Also, Jones would have most likely not countered a leg kick with a straight right, his conventional boxing isnt great, its his unpredictable strikes that make his stand up good.
 
I can't believe the amount of MMA forums where people are comparing Jones satndup to that of Anderson Silva saying he could dominate him.

If he did any of his crazy jumping spinning crazy stuff Silva would drill him in the face.

That's not to say eventually he could become more Silva'esque he has the perfect body type to strike with people.
 
sven256 said:
but for me his wild stand up has a lot of potential to put him into a lot of trouble. It also wastes a lot of energy.
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I agree. Shogun didn't look good at all and maybe Jones sensed that, found his flow and went for the fences. Shogun landed what, 11 strikes out of 42 thrown. I'm confused as to whether Shogun wasn't in shape, or he got outclassed. I'd say a mix of the two.

jimferno said:
I think Jones is still somewhat untested, he has yet to take a big shot and his cardio looked to be a problem. The only true 'great' fighter Jones has beat in the list you've put up is Shogun and with his hit and miss performances in recent years it could be argued that he is no longer the fighter he once was.
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Indeed. Nobody knows if he has a chin or not, he hasn't been rocked yet has he? I fail to remember. You cannot deny those are great fighters. They're not in the UFC to bake cookies. And not only did he beat them ALL, he beat them convincingly (Everybody except the judges knew he won the Hamill fight).

I guess it's just difference in opinion. As much as I wanted Jones to win on Saturday, I did think he'd lose. I'm going to have to watch the fight again to see his cardio problems.

Greg Jackon seems to think he got in tired in the second, clicked and then found his flow:

 
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Hard to say if bones did get tired or was he just playing cautious.... I think he was cautious I mean look at his eyes hes just making sure he strikes smartly and not wildly going in for the kill.....

Sure there was many times he could have gone for the kill

Shogun on the other hand with that flabby waist, and it looked like he hadnt slept that night even... perhaps ring rust or just out of shape, just wasnt his night.

Rashad stands no chance.... theres something about bones hes just a plain freak... hes like in his own freaky weight class hes got these long arms and long legs and just pure muscle up top.

I dont think rashad or anyones gonna be able to get remotely close to him looks like he just moves effortless out of the way and his super long legs/arms just do the rest.

See the way Rashad looked at bones afterwards the fight? he meant business lol but after he looses id like him too either change weight or go for shogun/machida/rampage.
 
Re-watched it. Was all about the reach. Shogun was having so much trouble with it. Couldn't get a close at all.

Rashad has great feet and movement so I think he'll be able to close the gap and pose more of a threat to Bones than Shogun did for sure, but in regards to finishing him? I don't think so.
 
Ditto think rashad he will get in and out easier...but bones would ultimately win, evans doesnt take out people.... just plays in safe and wins on points lately.

Bones just another freaky level
 
What's peoples picks for this weekend?

Can Mr Wonderful beat Lil Nog? As per usual my heart is taking over my head and saying Lil Nog will win, but realistically I think Mr Wonderful is too big and too strong for him, he is another Jon Jones of the LHW division.

His standup isn't as good, but his wrestling is as good and he has better submission skills. Even has the Mr Wonderful sub named after him :)
 
Mr Wonderful will probably wrestle own nog unfortunately, i can see him winning the decision quite comfortably.

As for Rashad, i think he has possibly the best chance to take Jones out (bar Machida), Rashad is a great counter striker, and i still firmly believe there are many holes to Jones' striking game. Those spinning back elbows and the like, i hope Rashad has sparred with him long enough to know how to evade and once he does, Jones is wide open to take a shot. Also Rashad will most likely be the best wrestler Jones will have faced to date, but i still give a hefty advantage to Jones in that department due to sheer size.

With all that said i do think it will be much more competitive than Shogun Jones. Unless this huge layoff Rashad has had will affect his cardio massively.
 
I hate reading all these posts about Shogun gasing out. Yes fair enough he may of not been in the best of shape, but I think he was. He has never been 'ripped' or close to it. He has always carried a bit of fat around him.

The reason Shogun was so tired at the end if because of all the strikes he took. Getting punched in the head takes it out of you, but no one seems to even take that into consideration.
 
People are saying it, because he looked the same in the Coleman fight and the same in the Forrest fight, both of which were after knee surgery much like this fight.

I'm not taking the win away from Jones, he would have won anyway. But I think Shogun is capable of putting up a much better fight than he did, if he ever has a rematch I hope to see if there is a difference.

Problem for Shogun is, whilst he is getting back to title shot contention, Bones is just getting even better.

Lots of people are writing Rashad out of the fight, I think he will cause Bones problems.
 
I think a fit and healthy Shogun would have made it a very different fight - he is always like this after surgery but the bloke has never looked ripped. What you are seeing is effectively a Japanese influenced fighter against an US influenced one. My personal taste is for the hyper-aggressive styles that Shogun and Fedor are known for but the problem is the wrestling based fighters have a few fundamental advantages - they can deploy strength based techniques for long periods and they know how to cut weight effectively. This leads to a size advantage and also the ability to use techniques that suit themselves well to the ruleset and the octagon. If you had Pride rules where the purse was reduced for boring fights you might see a difference.

Also I agree Evans aint going into this one to lose and whilst I don't think he will win I would put money on Machida to evade and pick Bones apart as a distinct possibility.
 
Although not hugely exciting, if Rashad can press him against the cage and dirty box ala Couture he will wear Jones down. Against the cage he can't use his huge length nor his crazy random standup.

Machida is another interesting test for him as if he chases and throws wasted shots Machida will dart in and counter him hard.

Exciting times ahead for LHW, isn't there always though?!
 
jimferno said:
I think Jones is still somewhat untested, he has yet to take a big shot and his cardio looked to be a problem. The only true 'great' fighter Jones has beat in the list you've put up is Shogun and with his hit and miss performances in recent years it could be argued that he is no longer the fighter he once was.

Jones looks to have the skillset and natural ability to succeed but only time will tell whether or not he can be classed amongst the true greats of the sport.
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Untested???

he's beaten/dismantled - Jake O'Brien, Bonnar, Vera, Matyushenko, Bader, Rua and lets be honest Hamill as well (despite the "loss" on his card due to illegal blow).

I do honestly believe that he is as good as the hype - He will destroy Evans.

Cardio a problem ?- i think you are mistaking that for being slightly out of breath after nearly 15 mins of action.
 
Shogun did take some nasty shots and yeah that would sapp your entire cardio, but it just almost looked like shogun couldnt do much apart from defeat even early on... jones just looked like in another class his body frame resembles an alien, he dwarfed shogun and just looked like a freaky alien overlord lol

I can see Randy giving hell to machida, but I dont see Randy having the knock out punch to put Machida down...
as machida has said he simply put has to win this fight or he maybe cut from ufc.

As for Rashad evans that guy will always look ripped and he trains even when hes not training he will definatly be the best of the best to ever face bones but theres no way hes gonna beat him...
 
Anyone excited to see Dan Hardy fight Anthony Johnson this weekend?

I'm looking forward to it...

R5Rich said:
Crazy to think Machida is close to being cut from UFC eh
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I know Dana has said that there is a possibility of Lyoto being cut if he loses to Randy but honestly I think he is just trying to "light a fire under his ass" as the Yanks say.
 
agreed about that light under his butt, Machida still makes for interesting fights and people will want to pay a lot just too see it. Theres still many fighters out there that do loose 2-3x+ but there still fighting for UFC, its what happens during the fight and if there putting up a show.

I think thats the right approach, your going in there to knock each other out not just to play cautious for 15 minutes and perhaps strike 3-4x and see if you get lucky.

Does anyone know when we get too see the new series of TUF, gonna be interesting too see dos/brock :)
 
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