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Well Cormiers hand is broken but there giving him till the 1st quarter to heal and finish the tourney... heres hoping!

in other news the strikeforce event had the lowest strikeforce viewing figures ever, just goes to show if it had ufc written on the front of it..... strikeforce was brilliant and it will be a shame when its gone but its for the best, we need more ufc events and more interesting match ups !
 
Everyone here seems to be in favour of the UFC and Strikeforce merging from what I read, anyone else feel it's bad for the sport?

I'm all for interesting matchups and swapping fighters between promotions, but completely merging the two events would give the UFC a massive monopoly. Fighters who have fell out with the UFC will be retired to smaller promotions for the rest of their careers. Dana will be able to pay people whatever he wants if he's the only way to fight at the highest level. Without major competiton the UFC will do more harm than good for the sport I think.
 
I wouldnt worry too much about Strikeforce being absorbed into the UFC - there will always be the 3rd biggest ready to step into the runners up spot!

Someone like Bellator will likely pick up the lower teir of talent and anyone that Dana White refuses to do business with, build up to the point where the UFC feel they are being challenged and then get bought by Zuffa ala Strikeforce/Pride etc!

In fact its a pretty damn good business model - start up an MMA promotion, wait till you are the 2nd biggest and then cash in by selling to Zuffa! ;)
 
As fans of the sport it can only mean good things for us, more people per division means better matchups to be made, and it truely means we can find out who the best in the world are.

People have been saying for a long time that Diaz could beat GSP, we wil get a good measuring stick to whether that's true or not when he fights BJ.

People are saying Overeem would stomp all over Lesnar/Valesquez/JDS etc, and we'll actually get to find that out in December.

It's just a shame we'll never get to see how good Fedor actually is against current top flight competition, he should have cut to LHW a long time ago.
 
Rusty_Noob said:
It's just a shame we'll never get to see how good Fedor actually is against current top flight competition, he should have cut to LHW a long time ago.
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A little harsh imo! I mean you can only beat who is put in front of you! (which Fedor has done pretty well except for the last few fights!)

I wouldnt exactly call Rogers, Arlovski, Sylvia, Fillipovic, Randleman and Nogeira not "top flight competition" - although I do agree that bytodays standards, he's most definitely not a heavyweight!
 
My issue with Fedor was that he had so many oppurtunites to move to the UFC and declined them all, mainly due to not getting the $1million per fight he was after.

The thing is he hasn't proven himself in current mainstream MMA to warrant being paid so much, Pride was big in Japan, not in the USA. I honestly hand on heart believe you can say Rogers, Arlovski, Sylvia and Randleman are no way near top flight.

Who has Rogers actually beaten to put him in "top flight competition"? Look what happened when he fought anybody half decent - Overeem and Barnett both schooled him.
Arlovski has lost so many fights back to back recently, once to Rogers, who I don't consider top flight and once to and Kharitonov (Who?) who Josh Barnett just destroyed.
Sylvia, top flight, really?
Randleman, top flight, really?

Cro Cop and Nogueira are the only guys in that list who were any good when Fedor beat them, but Cro Cop has taken a massive downhill tumble since Pride.
 
I'd blame Fedors management ahead of the guy himself! Granted I dont know him but he comes across as a decent guy who has genuinely fought, and beaten, everyone that has been put in front of him! (until recently of course!)

I'm not saying he would beat the likes of JDS, Velasquez, Lesnar etc today but you dont go something like 25 fights unbeaten, against anyone, without having something about you!

The guys I listed might not be top drawer now but when Fedor beat them, the majority could easily have been in the top 10 in the world at the time!

I dont want to come across as a Fedor nuthugger, in fact, the majority of my knowledge of him has been in the last couple of years which has obviously been not the best but to say the guy hasnt beaten anyone of note is plain ridiculous!

Arlovski & Silvia - former UFC champs, Rogers was a beast going into his fight with Fedor having won 10 on the trot and Randleman has always been there or there abouts - besides, watch the suplex he plants on Fedor and tell me that wasnt impressive to absorb that kind of shot and sub the guy about 30 seconds later!

I agree with you in the context of Fedor possibly not being up to scratch in todays class of heavyweights but he'd have given them a run in his prime I'm sure!
 
That was fedors greatest power, the very thought he was unbeaten and the most dominate hw out there. I think that played mind games on many hw and made them loose even.

Its only been recently since we have all found out just how much these guys are making per fight and its silly money, I think there still people out there willing to give fedors managment team that silly money to fight hes got a fight due this fall even.

But one things for sure while hes had fights with some top names, so credits due there he seemed to be taking on fights fighting freaks and fights he knew he would win to get his record in the 1st place, the fights we really wanted was against overeem and hw champs and we never got it.
 
StevieP said:
I'd blame Fedors management ahead of the guy himself!
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Who employs his management?

StevieP said:
Arlovski & Silvia - former UFC champs
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Former being the operative word! Realistically the only guy Fedor beat whilst they were in their prime or close to their prime, worth mentioning, are Cro Cop and Big Nog but to be honest neither of those two have looked special since leaving Pride/joining UFC.

As HighlandeR mentioned the fights which he should have fought to legitamise him as the GOAT we never got to see him in, which is the real kicker for his legacy. He is a lot of fun to watch, some of his fights have been epic but I just can't put him as a P4P favourite when there were so many top guys he has never fought.
 
Rusty_Noob said:
He is a lot of fun to watch, some of his fights have been epic but I just can't put him as a P4P favourite when there were so many top guys he has never fought.
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Have to agree with that. If he really wanted to establish himself as the No1 fighter, he would have joined the UFC a couple of years ago when Dana was bending over backwards trying to sign him.
 
Tribune said:
Have to agree with that. If he really wanted to establish himself as the No1 fighter, he would have joined the UFC a couple of years ago when Dana was bending over backwards trying to sign him.
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He wasn't bending enough with regards to Fedor's idiot management, they wanted joint promotion and cuts of PPV which the UFC would never give so he was destined never to join.

Also the fact they wouldn't allow him to compete in anything outside of the UFC was another big issue.
 
Dkore-DeX said:
He wasn't bending enough with regards to Fedor's idiot management, they wanted joint promotion and cuts of PPV which the UFC would never give so he was destined never to join.

Also the fact they wouldn't allow him to compete in anything outside of the UFC was another big issue.
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Exactly. If he really wanted to fight Randy and been the man to make matches for with Brock, Carwin, Mir etc then he would have made it happen. From what I gather the money wasn't a problem. Randy was getting a slice of PPV and taking home near a mill per event and I'm sure they would have offered the same deal. To still insist on the other clauses when someone offers you a 3-5 fight deal with 3-5 mill guaranteed smacks of a lack of motivation somewhere.
 
Ever thought maybe Fedor isn't bothered about legacy? Even when he was being told he was the best in the world etc, he always brushed it off and disagreed.

He fights for the money and for his family, I don't think he has ever cared about being considered the best in the world.

It's his choice, he has made a living out of it and become a rich man regardless of if he has had the fights the fans really wanted to see.
 
Dkore-DeX said:
Ever thought maybe Fedor isn't bothered about legacy? Even when he was being told he was the best in the world etc, he always brushed it off and disagreed.

He fights for the money and for his family, I don't think he has ever cared about being considered the best in the world.

It's his choice, he has made a living out of it and become a rich man regardless of if he has had the fights the fans really wanted to see.
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This is something I have always thought - people may get all excited about it but I doubt Fedor has ever got excited about anything - let alone this sort of stuff. Just strikes me as cool, detached thinking fighter who always has the ability to sub or KO you at any time. Just loved how this bald bloke who didn't look like a fighter at all just used to go into the ring with anyone and just pull off some pretty crazy stuff. I miss the old Pride fights I don't think the UFC gets close in presentation or that its rules and cage encourage such interesting fights. And that's what we watch for at the end of the day entertainment and say what you want against Fedor but he always kept us entertained.
 
yeah pretty much thought elenberger was gonna win :) sad to see Jake shields loose but it is what it is.

looking forward to rampage and jones next week.... never seen Rampage this mad the whole spy situation looked out of control for sure
 
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