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C64 said:
I am not a fan of the submission aspect of UFC how stopping someone from breathing or breaking an arm considered sport and skill is beyond me.

I just think it would be more entertaining without the submissions.

Basically I just want a televised Kung Fu / boxing / thai boxing tournament without the wrestling aspect.

Mcgregor brought more people watching because he fits in to that mould but I guess ground game will always beat stand up strike game.

Way I saw it Mcgregor did gas out but he also got cracked on the chin with a left was buzzed and lunged in like a panic wrestler the exact thing he says people do against him.

If I want to watch 2 people roll about on the floor trying to strangle and or submit eachother i'll watch olympic wrestling.

And that card was a classic example of why submissions will continue to dominate this sport.
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Then don't watch UFC, give K1 a try or something - its the stylistic match ups that make MMA what it is.

As for submissions dominating the sport, lolwut? Lets have a look at the top rating (imo!) fighters in each weight class since MMA hit the mainstream.

HW: Fedor - 35 W, 4 L - 11 KO's, 17 Submissions - despite the number of submissions wins Fedor wasn't one to dive for the takedown, he would usually batter people in the stand up and then take advantage when they scrambled.

LW:Jones - 21 W, 1 L - 9 KO's, 6 Submissions - I don't like the guy but probably the most talented fighter in MMA, even his one loss should have been victory aside from some **** poor refereeing. Is definitely more of a striker than a wrestler/BJJ guy, but has the tools to get the job done no matter where the fight gos.

MW: Silva - 33 W, 7 L - 20 KO's, 6 Submissions - one of the most dynamic strikers the sport has seen, yeah he has a few sub wins, but if I recall correctly at least 3 of those came when the other guy took him down and he took advantage.

WW - GSP - 25W, 2 L - 8 KO's, 5 Submissions - probably the only true ground fighter to make this list, perfected the art of fighting safe. Takes his opponent down, controls them from top position and beats the utter crap out of them. Used to be an exciting striker until Matt Serra took his soul.

LW - BJ Penn - 16W, 10 L - 7 KO's, 6 Submissions - don't let the 16/10 record fool you, BJ Penn was an absolute beast and he fought nothing but killers his entire career. The pioneer of moving up in weightclasses, once fought Lyoto Machida at HW in Pride. BJ Penn was a JJ phenomenon, won the BJJ worlds at the age of 19 or something, and was deadly with submissions... which he didn't use all that often, since his boxing was so good and he enjoyed punching people in the face far too much. Used to use his grappling skills in reverse, to keep the fight the standing, most of his submission wins come after rocking the other guy on the feet and then taking advantage.
 
I don't read too much into Mcgregors defeat, as he said, took a chance and it backfired. Not many people step up two weight divisions, and at short notice. In hindsight he would probably concede it was a mistake.

The bulking up as much as he did in such a short space of time clearly hampered him, he looked fatigued really early on and that isn't good against someone like Diaz.

The Aldo response was funny, he gets beat in 13 seconds and then when Mcgregor loses to someone everyone expected him to he pipes up. I still think that the rematch will go the same way but expect a lot more people shoot for the takedowns early when they fight having seen him exposed.
 
C64 said:
I am not a fan of the submission aspect of UFC how stopping someone from breathing or breaking an arm considered sport and skill is beyond me.

I just think it would be more entertaining without the submissions.

Basically I just want a televised Kung Fu / boxing / thai boxing tournament without the wrestling aspect.

Mcgregor brought more people watching because he fits in to that mould but I guess ground game will always beat stand up strike game.

Way I saw it Mcgregor did gas out but he also got cracked on the chin with a left was buzzed and lunged in like a panic wrestler the exact thing he says people do against him.

If I want to watch 2 people roll about on the floor trying to strangle and or submit eachother i'll watch olympic wrestling.

And that card was a classic example of why submissions will continue to dominate this sport.
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I don't think MMA is for you in all honesty.

BJJ is awesome to watch, especially when you have two high level guys go at it. I agree when you have someone just hug someone it's irritating and boring, but that can happen on the feet against the cage as well.
 
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Eddie Bravo vs Royler Gracie still blows my mind, at one point Gracie's knee is in a position that looks impossible and he still didn't tap, Bravo said he felt it pop multiple times.
 
C64 said:
I am not a fan of the submission aspect of UFC how stopping someone from breathing or breaking an arm considered sport and skill is beyond me.

I just think it would be more entertaining without the submissions.

Basically I just want a televised Kung Fu / boxing / thai boxing tournament without the wrestling aspect.

Mcgregor brought more people watching because he fits in to that mould but I guess ground game will always beat stand up strike game.

Way I saw it Mcgregor did gas out but he also got cracked on the chin with a left was buzzed and lunged in like a panic wrestler the exact thing he says people do against him.

If I want to watch 2 people roll about on the floor trying to strangle and or submit eachother i'll watch olympic wrestling.

And that card was a classic example of why submissions will continue to dominate this sport.
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Yea....MMA isn't for you. Go watch K1 (which is at times incredible and at times as dull as paint drying....same as every combat sport)

You say that stopping someone breathing/breaking an arm isn't a sport/skill but you're fine with people punching each other into brain damage? Or trying to destroy their knees with leg kicks?

MMA is supposed to be as close to a fight as you can get whilst maintaining some form of fighter longevity.
 
I hope the same happens again when they have a rematch :p

What do we think about rousey vs Tate again? I'd hate for rousey to come out now and take the belt from Tate.
 
I don't think McGregor's been hurt too badly by this, a bit of a setback but he's still big enough to get main card at a PPV event, so the big money, just he'll go back to 145 for at least a couple of fights. Aldo and Edgar are the obvious, if he beats both of them, ideally by KO (not sure how likely that is, especially against Edgar) then he'll try moving up again, but might not get an immediate title shot.

Be interesting to see when, inevitably, he faces Nate Diaz again at 155, can he adapt/change to win the fight...

As for Rousey vs Tate, it's the clear option, I do see Rousey winning (again) but as long as that's followed by a Holm rematch is that a problem? If she avoids Holm that'd be silly, if the division gets in a situation where those 3 are fighting for/changing the belt around then I'd argue that's better than a single dominant champ surely?

On a related note, does anyone else think Holms striking is a bit overrated, with the exception of the Rousey fight she hasn't exactly looked head and shoulders above the opposition, and in that fight she did connect decently in the first exchange, and Rousey had got into a habit of rushing in to try to clinch, overconfidence. She's supposed to be some 19 time world champion boxer or something, yet in the UFC she just hasn't that kind of advantage, except against Rousey.

Don't get me wrong, she's clearly very good, and was winning that fight against Tate, but it wasn't exactly massively dominant, either she's going for a points win and nothing more which is disappointing or she isn't as good as the world titles would imply.
 
All of you talking as if Aldo is some bum lol, the dude is a beast. He got caught against Conor, but don't think he is an easy fight for anybody at 145.

The rematch will not go the same way, not saying he 100% wins it but he has the ability to deal with Conor and he has the power to knock him out.

I'd love to see Conor go back to 145 and lose to Aldo, or beat Aldo and at least fight with Frankie before attempting 155 again.
 
SKILL said:
I don't think McGregor's been hurt too badly by this, a bit of a setback but he's still big enough to get main card at a PPV event, so the big money, just he'll go back to 145 for at least a couple of fights. Aldo and Edgar are the obvious, if he beats both of them, ideally by KO (not sure how likely that is, especially against Edgar) then he'll try moving up again, but might not get an immediate title shot.

Be interesting to see when, inevitably, he faces Nate Diaz again at 155, can he adapt/change to win the fight...
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Agree with a lot of the above, I think putting the **** talking aside, Conor showed big ambition stepping up to 170 like he did and I respect that, much as I respect Nate for getting the job done. Conor had a great first round showing some of that dynamic striking we know him for, but as others have eluded to did put his eggs in one basket by trying to knock him out and perhaps being a little startled by Diaz' chin.

I think as was evident, size played a big role Saturday night - Great night for Jiu-Jitsu also :)
 
As hilariously backwards as your opinion is, C64, go and watch Glory. It's ****ing outstanding. If you don't like that then you genuinely have problems.
 
The IPB said:
All of you talking as if Aldo is some bum lol, the dude is a beast. He got caught against Conor, but don't think he is an easy fight for anybody at 145.

The rematch will not go the same way, not saying he 100% wins it but he has the ability to deal with Conor and he has the power to knock him out.

I'd love to see Conor go back to 145 and lose to Aldo, or beat Aldo and at least fight with Frankie before attempting 155 again.
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I don't think anyone is talking like he's a bum, just amused at his sudden appearance to mouth off now someone else did the job he didn't manage.

He lost mouthing off privilege the moment his half conscious face hit the canvas. The way to get them back is to knock out Conor, not act like the school bully sidekick, now a bigger boy stepped in.
 
He wants the fight so he is doing a Conor and trying to sell it.

Everyone in the UFC has noticed if you want to get paid you have to talk ****, it's unfortunately the Mcgregor effect.

An when you act the way Conor does you leave yourself open for attacks when you talk the way he talks and then lose, he is going to get flack from all over the place, Aldo is just taking the opportunity to put the boot in, an I can't blame him tbh.
 
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