***** The Official Galaxy Nexus Thread *****

mrk said:
^^ I didn't compare launcher speeds as I know different launchers vary in performance, I said scrolling various lists and general things.
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Ah, that's what I thought you meant as well as other things like launching different apps e.g. whatever music app you have and launching the stock music app on the GN etc. which can be classed as general things :p
 
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mrk said:
BoomAM, yes I did consider that but then I also considered something more important, that the GPU draws the UI anyway regardless of screen size. It's like when you play a 1080p video and it plays butter smooth regardless of phone because it's hardware accelerated. As long as there's GPU acceleration then it's all fine regardless of resolution usually.
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Doesn't matter what draws it. The fact is that the GN has more pixels to fill. That's more for whatever chip to do.
 
Why are people blindly attempting to discredit mrk's observations?

Anyone who has a GNex or has used one will have seen the problem. The GNex user interface has an issue which produces jittery animations. It's like a rendering bottleneck is intermittently occuring.

It's obvious there is a bug somewhere, hopefully not hardware related. No doubt it will get fixed.

It's kind of irritating that it occurs but difficult to forget about when people keep posting about it.

:)
 
str said:
Why are people blindly attempting to discredit mrk's observations?
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I don't think anyone is. I pretty much always agree with his statements.


It is just very hard to compare 2 phones and base an opinion that one is better in a certain area and that the supposed reason is hardware etc. and even more so when both mobiles are not being tested under the same factors as each other.

GN - pure stock android, stock apps, higher res. screen, poorer GPU

GS 2 - modded/tweaked custom ROM based on ICS (and parts of samsungs ROM included?), 3rd party apps being used to replace most of the stock apps (as I know mrk loves his apps that have loads of choice/customization :p), lower res screen and more powerful GPU than the GN

BTW, I am not saying that mrk said the reason for the laggy UI on the GN is due to the GPU etc. :p but some people probably think that is why when that really isn't the case

However, as has been said hardware is not the issue as the GPU etc. is more than enough to give a pure smooth experience in the UI, so in the end it comes down to the software side of things. IMO, either the custom ROM that mrk is running on his GS 2 is quicker and smoother than the version of stock android on the GN or as has also been said, it is a bug with that current version of android on the GN.


Well that is how I look at it anyway! :p
 
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mrk said:
If that's the case then we should see the same on the Galaxy Note, which we don't.
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The Galaxy Note's hardware is quicker, noticeably.
But as said, software optimization's play into this quite heavily to a certain point.

str said:
Why are people blindly attempting to discredit mrk's observations?

Anyone who has a GNex or has used one will have seen the problem. The GNex user interface has an issue which produces jittery animations. It's like a rendering bottleneck is intermittently occuring.)
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No-ones discrediting anything.
Im simply pointing out logic.

The GN, irrespective of where the judder comes from isnt as quick, hardware wise, as the GS2 or Note. Add to that the higher res than the GS2, and the poorer hardware will obviously struggle.
Only when its apples to apples can the previous claims by others be verified.
But we wont see that. Ever.

I don't see why people are struggling with this, I'm not discrediting anyone, just pointing out, imo, flawless logic.
The GN has more to do than the GS2, and the Note has quicker hardware than both.
Simple really.

Not discussing it anymore, so discuss it among yourselves if you disagree with me.
 
Just putting it out there, but the differences between stock ICS and ROMS such as CM9 aren't that huge in terms of "optimisations" and "tweaks". This is mostly because of having no source for the kernel and mid-development of said ROMS.

Having said that, the resolution and extra drawing the Nexus has to do with it's 720p display is no doubt taxing it more on displaying various UI components and will therefore be slower or not as smooth at doing those than the S II. Simples!
 
The GNex and most other Android phones with a reasonably powerful GPU should be able to render the user interface smoothly.

It doesn't matter that the GS2 and the Note have faster/better hardware because there will be a minimum GPU specification for smoothly rendering the user interface and it should be obvious that the GNex, GS2, and the Note hardware far exceeds whatever that minimum GPU specification might be seeing as they are at the top end.

The GNex intermittently fails to render smoothly so there is an unknown issue with the phone and mrk is saying the GS2 is noticably smoother which actually makes it even clearer that something is wrong with the GNex.

:)
 
Locke said:
Just putting it out there, but the differences between stock ICS and ROMS such as CM9 aren't that huge in terms of "optimisations" and "tweaks". This is mostly because of having no source for the kernel and mid-development of said ROMS.

Having said that, the resolution and extra drawing the Nexus has to do with it's 720p display is no doubt taxing it more on displaying various UI components and will therefore be slower or not as smooth at doing those than the S II. Simples!
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It's a user interface it's not exactly super taxing the hardware. Programmers worth anything are going to be able to produce one that renders smoothly regardless of screen resolution especially when they know the target hardware lol. :)
 
Locke said:
Just putting it out there, but the differences between stock ICS and ROMS such as CM9 aren't that huge in terms of "optimisations" and "tweaks". This is mostly because of having no source for the kernel and mid-development of said ROMS.

Having said that, the resolution and extra drawing the Nexus has to do with it's 720p display is no doubt taxing it more on displaying various UI components and will therefore be slower or not as smooth at doing those than the S II. Simples!
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Ultimately though, this all just makes it even more outrageous that Google chose to skimp on the internals.

There is no excuse for it. :(
 
Robbo said:
Ultimately though, this all just makes it even more outrageous that Google chose to skimp on the internals.

There is no excuse for it. :(
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I don't doubt that it might be Google doing it but something tells me that Samsung have held it back too because if the Nexus had the same internals as Samsung's own flagship phone then it's pretty clear what people would go for.

I hear that the next Nexus vendor is likely to be LG so it will be interesting to see how that pans out hardware wise.
 
mrk said:
I don't doubt that it might be Google doing it but something tells me that Samsung have held it back too because if the Nexus had the same internals as Samsung's own flagship phone then it's pretty clear what people would go for.

I hear that the next Nexus vendor is likely to be LG so it will be interesting to see how that pans out hardware wise.
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Google should have told Samsung to shove it then and got someone else to make it. :p
 
Most of the time the GNex renders flawlessly and it's very impressive when it does so! Most of the time it is super smooth and super fast and of course the screen is crystal clear during the smooth animations (very little ghosting).

So yeah, we mustn't forget the obvious lol. :D
 
_Jimlad_ said:
at the end of the day we need this 403 /404 update to see where we stand inregards to stutter and smoothness.
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Not that there is much to complain about now in terms of those because it's very good as it is. I just want a fix for spell checking in the browser. It’s high time for an update.
 
Spell checking as in when writing stuff on forums etc?

I find no problems with spell checking if that is what you mean, autocorrect works fine as does red underlines for words not in the dictionary.
 
mrk said:
Spell checking as in when writing stuff on forums etc?

I find no problems with spell checking if that is what you mean, autocorrect works fine as does red underlines for words not in the dictionary.
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You don't have probelms because you don't use a GN. Wrong thread again. ;)
 
That is irrelevant because I'm using ICS with the ICS keyboard in the ICS browser, just like you. So unless ICS on the Nexus is different or bugged then I can't see how it differs in this regard.
 
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