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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

Out of interest is there any solid info on a GTX1080TI being released??

Personally I just think it will be a GTX1070 and GTX1080.

The GTX1080TI nomenclature is speculation by websites IMHO. It would also be a bad move by Nvidia as it would mean an easy target for Vega within three to six months and IIRC,they said there would not be any consumer versions of the GP100 anytime soon.

It is more likely Nvidia will use OEMs to produce superclocked versions of the GTX1080.

The GTX1080TI will be introduced if Nvidia decide to sell die salvaged GP100 cards to consumer or decide to do another large consumer orientated chip,IMHO OFC.
 
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^id agree for the most part. Usually they replace them roughly price for price.

I think they may push them up slightly though knowing nvidia with the new die shrink and HBM 2.

I'd think a Titan will still be £900-£1000 on release.

Certainly hoping for Ti's anyway. I don't think I could give my left leg for a pair of Titans.
 
Why would people be hoping for a GP104 based Ti?? It would be like have a GK104 based GTX680TI or a GM204 based GTX980TI.

I really doubt we will see a GTX1080TI based on a GP104.

Do people think that a GP104 replacing a GM200 is a big deal?? Really??

The GK110 based GTX780TI was essentially replaced by the GM204 based GTX980,and the GF110 based GTX580 was replaced by the GK104 based GTX680.

All much larger chips replaced by smaller and faster newer ones.

The GTX980TI is going to be replaced by a £400 to £500 GTX1080 IMHO.
 
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muziqaz said:
But the thing is, who cares what top end card is using what chip? If 1080ti is let's say 30% faster than 980ti, it will replace 980ti as top of the line card. And whatever months later when they have good enough yields for Titan P, which will be even faster than 1080ti, they will release it as top end card. As long as they are not shafting customers like they used to do with previous titans and 980tis, I don't see any issues there.
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and this is why people massively overpay for things without thinking.

Why it matters what chip it is, is because of what is a fair price. A chip based on a 300mm^2 core costs way less than half to produce compared to something that is 600mm^2. But if you're willing to pay Nvidia the same price for the 300mm^2 core as the 600mm^2 core then you're choosing to be ripped off.

The world used to work in general on a principle of this costs X to produce + Y to develop so we charge you X + a Y/expected sales + a fair profit. Now it works as, we charge you x + y/expected sales + a massive and unjustified profit and see if any people will still buy it or not.

I won't pay £400+ for an Iphone that is realistically profitable and fair for a company to sell at £200 easily, not least when all the extra profits got to a few people and the people making them get utterly screwed. I wouldn't pay £500 for a 1440p/144hz/27" panel because that pricing is nuts, I waited and got the exact same panel for £270 which still likely had a reasonable margin in it. I won't pay £500 for a gpu based off a 300mm^2 core today and wait for the company to release a 600mm^2 core, price it at £500 and drop the 300mm^2 core pricing down to £250.... because it's profitable and fairly priced at £250 so I refuse to pay £500 for it just because they want to see if they can milk customers for a while at a higher price.

I don't expect everyone to think like that, though I believe they should as ultimately paying whatever a company demands because people have no ability to see what a fair price is and refuse to pay more is only screwing themselves.

So yes, it's actually very important which core it's based off, how it's marketed and it's price because Nvidia have already with Kepler done the whole, lets name a midrange cheap to produce core like a high end core and get people who don't know better to pay high end prices for it for a year till we start to price it fairly again.

In effect most companies don't rip customers off, customers participate and choose to be ripped off. But if customers collectively choose not to be ripped off they end up with the same cards, cheaper, and the next cards cheaper, and the next cards cheaper, etc. Companies do what customers let them get away with doing and there is entirely no benefit to customers paying more than a fair price for anything.
 
DM, you forget everything about economics of new process and costs associated with R&D. You think company just rights off the costs of developing that chip, preparing for process and paying extra for new process. Company would like to get back all or most of the investment with new chips. No?
 
JediFragger said:
For me I'm going with;

1070 - £350
1080 - £500
1080Ti - £700ish
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Seems about right based on the last round.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Out of interest is there any solid info on a GTX1080TI being released??

Personally I just think it will be a GTX1070 and GTX1080.

The GTX1080TI nomenclature is speculation by websites IMHO. It would also be a bad move by Nvidia as it would mean an easy target for Vega within three to six months and IIRC,they said there would not be any consumer versions of the GP100 anytime soon.

It is more likely Nvidia will use OEMs to produce superclocked versions of the GTX1080.

The GTX1080TI will be introduced if Nvidia decide to sell die salvaged GP100 cards to consumer or decide to do another large consumer orientated chip,IMHO OFC.
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The Ti probably will exist, but it will be a low yield GP100, not GP104. The fuller fat GP100 will be the next Titan and they'll want at least 6 months of price gouging before they release the 1080Ti.

My other prediction is that both the 1070 and 1080 will not have HBM, the titan and the 1080Ti will. From a gaming perspective, as long as they 1070 and 1080 have 8GB of RAM I don't think it will matter.
 
HazardO said:
The fuller fat GP100 will be the next Titan and they'll want at least 6 months of price gouging before they release the 1080Ti.
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Unless Polaris 9 or Vega come out and beat the 1080....then we will see a 1080Ti approx 2 months after the Full Fat Titan which will be half the cost of it and only slightly cut down. Just like the last generation.

I would certainly think that a lot of Titan X owners will be waiting a little longer before buying the Flagship this time around.
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For me personally unless a pascal rendition is beastly enough to power future OLED monitors with enough bells and whistles turned on I'm sure I can hold off until monitor tech (albeit niche top end) forces the hand of either the green or red team to significantly push that bit further.

I know there's plenty of unknowns surrounding both products, but that's my boxes it'd need to tick for Pascal to make it into my computer case.
 
Have any specs / benchmarks of consumer pascal cards been released? I find it suspicious nothing has (to my knowledge)

I'm going to say that an overclocked 980ti will be on par or even better a none Ti Pascal card.
 
humbug said:
1070 - £300
1080 - £450
1080TI - £600
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The £700 was reserved for Asus ;) :D :p

Tbh I think nVidia are going to try and create a new pricepoint for a premium 'not quite Titan' card. They were being super-generous (for nVidia!) with the last Ti imo to fend off the Fury X (and it was a job well done if the **** poor sales I've been hearing about are true!!).

£650-£700, maybe a touch higher at launch :)
 
Cambofrog said:
Sometimes I think it would be better if everyone talked the price down rather than up.;)
They'll charge anything they think they can get away with. :(
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Of course, it's nVidia!!! Just like water is wet and the sky is blue :p

You gotta be a special kind of moron if you think nVidia take any notice of forumites 'speculating' though... :D
 
Cambofrog said:
Sometimes I think it would be better if everyone talked the price down rather than up.;)
They'll charge anything they think they can get away with. :(
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You say that - out of the dozens of gamers I know,only a tiny fraction seem to have cards that are massively over £300,and they are all hardware enthusiasts anyway. Even on the hardware enthusiast biased Steam survey,the top three cards were the GTX970,GTX960 and GTX750TI FFS.

Both AMD and Nvidia know very well if they push the majority purchasers too much,people won't bother.

People forget there were silly expensive E-PEEN edition cards going back yonks - 8800 Ultra,X1950XTX,etc and they were of little consequence to most gamers.
 
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