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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

Seanspeed said:
HBM2 isn't likely to be available til Q2.

AMD apparently also has priority on its availability, so it's entirely possible the first enthusiast 14/16nm cards will be from them regardless. Nvidia wont want to wait around, but they might not have a choice.
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Nvidia have been in this game long enough I imagine they have their own version HBM2 made by someone else.

They won't be planning a 2016 launch if they don't allready have stuff in production.
 
and production would still have to be underway to meet the qty's of cards they had for the 970 980 launch


I know it's important for AMD that nvidia are slow but they won't be.
 
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There's a slight concern about the "early" 2016 Pascal launch for me.
If you look back at released cards, Maxwell/Kepler Fiji/Hawaii..you will find that the chips were all manufactured a good 6-8 months before release.
For Pascal to release Q1-Q2 they should be in the oven by now (or not far from now).
How did they tested them if only AMD has HBM right now is another question...
 
indeed but as usual nvidia don't let much out, as soon as samples start passing through customs we know production will be underway
 
TwsT said:
Nvidia have been in this game long enough I imagine they have their own version HBM2 made by someone else.

They won't be planning a 2016 launch if they don't allready have stuff in production.
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I wasn't suggesting Pascal would be pushed back to 2017. But even a month or two advantage will be significant.
 
They could probably bring it earlier but while high end Maxwell is thoroughly beating AMD into the ground they know they don't have to. No doubt they could also release something truly groundbreaking, possibly twice as fast as Maxwell but they won't because they can drip feed in a 20-25% increase which fanboys will lap up, release another version (or rebadge with slightly increased clocks) which will also sell.
 
Big Pascal has to be there to fight 14NM Xeon Phi,so I expect Nvidia will be trying to get it put as quickly as possible for commerical customers. For example Tianhe-2 uses Intel Xeon Phi co-processor cards and not any Nvidia or AMD ones.
 
MissChief said:
They could probably bring it earlier but while high end Maxwell is thoroughly beating AMD into the ground they know they don't have to. No doubt they could also release something truly groundbreaking, possibly twice as fast as Maxwell but they won't because they can drip feed in a 20-25% increase which fanboys will lap up, release another version (or rebadge with slightly increased clocks) which will also sell.
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On the flip side, they know releasing something only marginally faster than the previous gen wont tempt those with current high end stuff to upgrade. If they release something big and powerful and with no competition they could completely dominate market share.
 
If they are only starting to produce the HBM2 memory in Q1 next year, then there is no way we are seeing Pascal in Q2, surely. Given that the memory needs to be shipped, products assembled, tested, refined, and shipped again.
 
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