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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

muziqaz said:
Well, it is unwritten rule in the industry to not do next gen arch, next gen process and next gen memory controller/system at once. Intel does not do that anymore, AMD doe not do that anymore, and nvidia shouldn't be doing this, yet they are.
There are numerous times in history when companies trying to do even two next gen things together fail miserably. Nvidia done it in the past, AMD done it in the past and Intel done it in the past.
With process tech going more complicated and smaller it is more chance something to go wrong with dies itself, not even mentioning new memory tech and architecture.
So no, it is not that simple even with the brightest and richest engineering teams. nVidia would need to pull a major miracle to release all those next gen pieces together and working. And, no, fiddling with couple of samples of HBM in the lab is not experience by any stretch, especially when none of us here know how those couple of samples are behaving, since no one would ever admit that they are failing or working perfectly.
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Very good points but 1 bad wrong point!

Intel does not do that anymore, AMD doe not do that anymore, and nvidia shouldn't be doing this, yet they are.
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AMD doe not do that anymore?

Nope! Unfortunately AMD still doing this and never learnt from their mistakes. AMD probably sounded a bit like Apple, they desperately wanted to tried to be like Apple to sell "revolutionary" and "dominate" badly and also always "denial" and "defended".

AMD has long catalogue of failures and disasters, the problem began after acquisition of ATI, both AMD and ATI attempted to created APU codenamed Fusion in 2006 ended in massive failure few years afterward but they didn't stopped and refused to gave up so they invested millions really desperately wanted APU project to worked succeed. They tried again with project Desna but it ended in failure once again with little success as billions went down the toilet, shocked they still refused to abandoned risky APU project and continued to invested millions in Llano project then few prototype samples finally worked perfect after 5 years of disasters. AMD was like Roy Taylor mind thinker very confidence in Llano launch believed it would be the most successful product in AMD history and would massively outsold Intel and had shareholders fooled by AMD lies as there was really no demand and customers was really not interested in APUs.

Don't forget others issues like Bulldozer, Barcelona TLB bug, Dresden fab etc.

Apple had it own share of issues too, they had worked test prototype samples of revolutionary sapphire glass in R&D few years ago believed they had technology ready to mass produced sapphire glass. They invested $578 million in GT Advanced Technologies back in 2013 wanted hundreds of millions sapphire glass installed in 2014 products but they experienced massive yield failure with millions failed to met quality standard then Apple abandoned plan and switched back to LCD screen, they realised sapphire glass are very complex and complicated process to mass produced.

Nvidia said HBM vertically stacking is the best approach because it simpler process, they didn't wanted to do HBM interposer stacking because it was very complex and very complicated process, however AMD argued HBM interposer stacking is the best approach so they decided to went with it and regret it struggled very complex and complicated production issue they experienced now.

If Nvidia managed to get all pieces together and worked in pilot production and have no issue with volume production shipped millions of Pascal cards then that would be absolutely major miracle Nvidia had chose the right path. Jen-Hsun Huang would be very proud of his teams of employees, professors, scientists and engineers because they are the brightest and smartest minds worked like Einstein outsmarted AMD engineers' minds worked like Roy Taylor mind gave AMD management, exectives and board of directors poor judgements but this issue still haunted AMD today since Ruiz era board of directors not had the brightest minds gave poor judgements on ATI acquistion, APU Fusion project, Bulldozer etc.
 
I'm sorry Athlon, I should have said: AMD hasn't done anything lately in CPU department.
So I guess I was talking about GPU department. They usually launch pipe cleaner 1st with some new things in it, and then the real stuff.

But hey thanks for the history wall of completely unrelated things ;)
 
It is really an unknown if big or small will come first and speculation only from news sites. I still hope to see something big from the off but only Nvidia knows what is what.
 
Wow they must have been scouring for anything vaguely related to GPUs... no explanation of why they are so sure it's Pascal though. Great journalism. :rolleyes:
 
colinmcr said:
I just wanna know how much Folding PPD it'll get me and I just hope its sooner rather than later ofc.
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Seeing how nVidia cards are completely failing every single internal project we get, you need to worry IF nvidia is gonna get any PPD not how much ;)
 
Gregster said:
It is really an unknown if big or small will come first and speculation only from news sites. I still hope to see something big from the off but only Nvidia knows what is what.
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even something small next gen should be quite a jump in itself compared to today's high end GPUs, unless nvidia and AMD tries to milk the **** out of the industry.
I do believe nvidia will try to do a miracle and go high end 1st. Because if they go low end 1st, which should in theory be quite fast compared to today's high end, nvidia would look silly if they sold much cheaper low end Pascal which performs similar to today's top maxwells.
 
Hmmm, the Pascal equivalent of the Maxwell 970 should have at least the same performance as a 980Ti then with (hopefully) 8GB of Vram.

Nice...I'll take two :)
 
There is another rumour just starting that Pascal will not support hardware Async Shaders.

And yes anything less than Hexus quoted numbers would be major disappointment ;)
 
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