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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

Legend said:
You honestly believe that a card which is currently going for £500 new will be able to be bought at more than 60% mark down second hand just months later? Even putting aside the performance difference between the 980ti and 1070/1080 for one second (which you can't ignore anyway), when has this ever happened ever in the history of GPU's?? Prices WILL drop, no question, but some people need a reality check.
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Yes, and it is the people who think the 980Tis wont drop ( £200 is maybe a bit extreme but probably £250 second hand.

The 780Ti was still selling for £500 right before the 900 series came out. Then weeks after it was being sold BRAND NEW for £300 to get rid of stock. the 970 was snapping at the heels of it and only cost £270 brand new so 780Ti second hand prices obviously plummeted.

The same will happen his time around (ie the same thing that happens every generation)
 
Rroff said:
IMO 1070 will probably be pretty close to TX performance - maybe a tiny touch slower in some older games and cope a little better in some newer games.
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Maybe the 1070 will be fast at 1080p but I just cannot see how that normal GDDR5 with a 256bit bus is going to perform better than a titan X or 980ti at 1440p or higher which has a 336gbs memory bandwidth vs about 256gbs on the 1070.
 
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£250 will be the absolute bottom rung for the cheapest Ti's... i.e the ones people know you could have got the cheapest. The higher clocked ones, better brands etc. will be closer to £300. Same goes for the 980's... the better cards will hold a higher premium. It's also wrong to think the market is going to be flooded with Ti's (again helping with value)... it really won't be. The benchmarks are not going to blow people away as much as some seem to be speculating, so plenty of people will (rightly) be hanging on to their cards and waiting for the 1080Ti or HBM2 cards.

Seanspeed said:
I dont understand why you think this. :/
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Founder's Edition (i.e the reference) WILL cost more, as Nvidia have stated. Add to that poor exchange rate, price gouging from retailers and no one is going to be paying £300 for a while yet.
 
NirK said:
Maybe the 1070 will be fast at 1080p but I just cannot see how that normal GDDR5 with a 256bit bus is going to perform better than a titan X or 980ti at 1440p or higher which has a 334gbs memory bandwidth vs about 250gbs on the 1070.
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Agreed at higher resolution, though I think 1440p will be fine, the VRAM could hold it back a bit but then it will likely be the 1080p card for next gen games anyhow.
 
TheRealDeal said:
Well that is debatable. I just watched the segment and just before he brought up the gtx1070 he said about 5 times that the gtx1080 was twice the performance of a Titan X so if you ask me he was reffering to VR in this segment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRxoWkSDhVc
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That really is clutching at straws. He clearly starts a new part of the presentation ( ie introduces the 1070). Besides it is rated at 6.5tflops (more than the titan X) so I don't see why it is such wild speculation to believe it will be faster (or at least in the ballpark of titan x performance)
 
Legend said:
You honestly believe that a card which is currently going for £500 new will be able to be bought at more than 60% mark down second hand just months later? Even if you ignore the performance difference between the 980ti and 1070/1080 for one second (which you can't actually ignore anyway), when has this ever happened ever in the history of GPU's?? Prices WILL drop, no question, but some people need a reality check. 1070 won't cost £300, again you're dreaming. Nice dreams admittedly, but a dream nonetheless. £350 MINIMUM, and Founder's Edition will be more.
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Current new price is irrelevant. Value is from comparing against what else us on the market ir coming and at what price
 
Jono8 said:
That really is clutching at straws. He clearly starts a new part of the presentation ( ie introduces the 1070). Besides it is rated at 6.5tflops (more than the titan X) so I don't see why it is such wild speculation to believe it will be faster (or at least in the ballpark of titan x performance)
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I am not saying it isn't but he keeps repeating that gtx1080 is twice the performance of the Titan X which it isn't. The vr slide has gone by this time as they just watched a presentation yet he keeps banging on about twice as fast. He then says there is more and says the gtx1070 is also faster than Titan X. He's clearly trying to build the hype by talking about twice as fast and then leads on with the gtx1070 is also faster.
 
Jono8 said:
For the 900 series the prices were pretty much exactly the dollar msrp, converted to pounds using the exchange rate at the time, plus VAT....
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At the time of the 980 release the exchange rate was MUCH better than it is today. It has fallen sharply since then. People seem to underestimate what difference this will make on the price of these new cards, and you cannot compare it to £/$ cost from 2 years ago.
 
Legend said:
It's also wrong to think the market is going to be flooded with Ti's (again helping with value)... it really won't be. The benchmarks are not going to blow people away as much as some seem to be speculating, so plenty of people will (rightly) be hanging on to their cards and waiting for the 1080Ti or HBM2 cards.
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Its quite scary how that guy in the Nvidia presentation can say once "faster than a titan X" (in one specific area), then the internet within 24 hours is plastered with comments from people 100% convinced that it will be faster than a titan X in everything no problem at all.

I am interested in the 1080 though but only if it significantly better than 980ti and overall worth the effort of swapping.
 
Legend said:
At the time of the 980 release the exchange rate was MUCH better than it is today. It has fallen sharply since then. People seem to underestimate what difference this will make on the price of these new cards, and you cannot compare it to £/$ cost from 2 years ago.
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I know, and people are using the new exchange rate. This would put the 1070 starting at £315 and the 1080 at just under £500. :confused:
 
Legend said:
At the time of the 980 release the exchange rate was MUCH better than it is today. It has fallen sharply since then. People seem to underestimate what difference this will make on the price of these new cards, and you cannot compare it to £/$ cost from 2 years ago.
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he has already accounted for the exchange rate difference from 2 years ago till now
 
You've got to hand it to Nvidia from a business / marketing point of view. They are self engineering the market - with year on year price creep - so that mid range products are being sold at top end prices. After a few years/ gens people see it as 'normal' and accept it.

£600 for 'mid range' pascal. It's a joke really.
 
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