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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

If that graph is accurate AND if 1080's are able to hit and maintain those frequencies without ridiculous cooling (blower fans running at 100% etc), then that is hugely impressive!

I have a Ti currently but given I have a Rift incoming, I would be tempted with a 1080 if it is that big a jump. Would still keep 980Ti for other rig though, which is currently GPUless after selling the Titan X.
 
So it seems that the 1080 is about 20% ahead of 7970xf in Firestrike Extreme. Which is very good for a single card solution. I think however waiting for the full fat Nvidia or AMD cards might be a better bet for me.

It will be more than 20%. A single 780Ti wasn't hugely slower than 7970xf (from memory).
 
So it seems that the 1080 is about 20% ahead of 7970xf in Firestrike Extreme. Which is very good for a single card solution. I think however waiting for the full fat Nvidia or AMD cards might be a better bet for me.

Here is my 7970 scores from Firestrike Extreme (testing was done nearly 2 years ago)

7970 CF

Score: 6266
Graphics Score: 6890
Physics Score: 12210
Graphics Test 1: 35.06
Graphics Test 2: 26.15
Physics Test: 28.76
Combined Test: 12.10

So according to that graph (if true), an overclocked 1080 will score more than double that score!
 
+1 you CANT BEAT 4k visual fidelity, the division looks outstanding in 4k!

But if you compare a 40" 16:9 4k to a 3440x1440 21:9, the PPI is the same. But if you use a 32" 4k then that will be higher PPI, but then still stuck at 60hz. 4k at 27" is probably very good image quality but also too small.
 
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But if you compare a 40" 16:9 4k to a 3440x1440 21:9, the PPI is the same. But if you use a 32" 4k then that will be higher PPI, but then still stuck at 60hz. 4k at 27" is probably very good image quality but also too small.
So being 'stuck at 60hz' is a negative for a 4k display, but not for a 21:9? I dont get it.

And I assure you many people do not think a 27" display is 'too small'. Mine is the perfect size. Plenty of people still use 23-24" monitors, too.
 
Do you think a 660ti or a 670 would drop a lot when the 1080 and 1070 are out? I might get one while I am waiting, my 980ti is gone and this 5870 is really not good on my 3440x1440 monitor (also it refuses to let me run 2560x1080 full screen at over 60hz, it works at 60hz but at 80hz it is 1:1 as a small box in the middle). Or does anyone know how I can get 2560x1080 80hz to work full screen on the 5870? On Nvidia I could just make a custom resolution and it would just work but not on AMD :(

I'm lucky I managed to snag up a 660 for the time being for £30 as my 470 wouldn't run my 4k monitor, it's got a little punch this card :p after selling my 980 Ti now I'm just waiting for the 1080 :D not even 2 weeks now!
 
So being 'stuck at 60hz' is a negative for a 4k display, but not for a 21:9? I dont get it.

And I assure you many people do not think a 27" display is 'too small'. Mine is the perfect size.

27" is ok but 32 would be much better

regarding 60hz, Overwatch at 4K on 100fps at 60hz feels fine silky smooth, even running Doom at 4K at 70fps at 60hz feel fine & yes i have a 1440p 144hz.

you dont NEED to match your hz to your FPS it helps yes but its not NEEDED for smooth gameplay heck we survived 15 years without knowing any better

if i turn gsync off for fps its fine.

Gsync off for FPS, Gsync on for everything else :)


as for 21:9 3440 runs at 75hz+ which does make difference, but not worth the hassle of 21:9
 
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Why? This is going to be entirely individual. Bigger is not inherently better.

If i compare my 4K 27" vs my 58" 4K

with 27" the PPI is so small some of the detail is lost due to how small the pixels are. ITs look incredible sharp - correct, but noticing every little detail? no.

put same game on 58" 4K not as sharp but you can see more detail that goes un noticed at 27"
 
27" is ok but 32 would be much better

regarding 60hz, Overwatch at 4K on 100fps at 60hz feels fine silky smooth, even running Doom at 4K at 70fps at 60hz feel fine & yes i have a 1440p 144hz.

you dont NEED to match your hz to your FPS it helps yes but its not NEEDED for smooth gameplay heck we survived 15 years without knowing any better

if i turn gsync off for fps its fine.

Gsync off for FPS, Gsync on for everything else :)


as for 21:9 3440 runs at 75hz+ which does make difference, but not worth the hassle of 21:9

What? Not sure what your saying but a 60hz monitor will only show 60FPS even if your game is rendering 100FPS. So regardless if the game was running at 60FPS or 100 it will be the same on a 60hz monitor. It sounds like your saying there is a difference?
 
Is a gtx1080 too much overkill for 1080p 144hz

I know a 1070 will do but I'm thinking a little future here

I would look at 1440p or ultrawide instead of upgrading to a GPU you will see no visual differences with to be honest dude. A jump in res will be something you will benefit from much more
 
with 27" the PPI is so small some of the detail is lost due to how small the pixels are
If you're sitting like 4ft away from it, maybe. :/

At the distance I'm at from my 27" monitor, it is very large in my vision. Anymore would be uncomfortable and outright disadvantageous in games where I need awareness. Going up to a 4k resolution would only make details even more discernible.

EDIT: And I think meant to say the PPI is 'so big'. Anyways, this isn't an issue of resolution, but of screen size mostly. At any given screen size, increasing the resolution only helps discern detail. You may run into diminishing returns until the point where you cant tell the difference anymore, but at no point is increasing resolution going to make it HARDER to make out detail due to smaller pixel size.

I would look at 1440p or ultrawide instead of upgrading to a GPU you will see no visual differences with to be honest dude. A jump in res will be something you will benefit from much more
Not everybody upgrades their GPU just for better graphics. I upgraded from a 670 to a 970 mainly because I wanted to play the latest games at 60fps. If somebody has a 144hz monitor, they've obviously got a lot of reason to upgrade to make the most of those high refresh rates.
 
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What? Not sure what your saying but a 60hz monitor will only show 60FPS even if your game is rendering 100FPS. So regardless if the game was running at 60FPS or 100 it will be the same on a 60hz monitor. It sounds like your saying there is a difference?

We are not using CRTS anymore it doesnt work exactly like that anymore + you forget response time

so called 60hz = 60fps
Frame rate
60 in 1 second
= 16.3ms between frames
= mouse feels slow to respond

Frame rate
100
1000ms
= 10ms
= mouse feels fluid

I go on actauly real game experience
I have 1440p 144hz feels smooth with & without Gsync

4K 60hz 60fps feels terrible for FPS
4L 60hz 100fps feels much smoother & useable

if you have a 60hz monitor test it yoursellf lock yourself to 60fps then unlock to 100
 
When I had 4k providing I had the power to run a game at 60fps (90% I couldn't) I found the best mix was to set fps at 59 on a 60hz monitor. Not that it matter's because most games can't get near 50fps in 4k. Plus when you've had more than 60hz you'll never go back. The difference between 60 and 100 is massive, out weighs the 4k sharpness which you forget about within 2 min's of playing a fast paced game.
 
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