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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

Guess it depends on how big they make it :p

Id love it to be cracker, but im not getting my hopes up, especially after the Furys, as look how they turned out :(
 
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NirK said:
lol just you keep saying things as 100% fact when you (or anyone else except people who work at AMD / Nvidia) have no clue. You said the 980ti will definitely tank to 200 and now the Vega will definitely "SMASHHHHHH" 1080, but the 1080 does look good and the vega might be a flop, but yes it will probably beat the 1080. The polaris looks like it only runs at about 1.5ghz and the 1080 is looking like it should easily get over 2ghz, maybe 2.5Ghz.... if AMD's Vega only 1.5ghz then it could have loads of shaders etc. but not much faster because of the mhz.
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Because GHZ above all else? thats why 390x can keep up with the 980 right? ohh i forgot the clock speed on the 390x is a good deal lower than the boost clock on 980. So here let me break it down for you

1)We know Pascal is slower clock for clock than maxwell.
2) we know that 390x keeps up with the 980 in most titles and win a few fights as well
3) We know that the 390x is clocked lower while doing this
4) and we know that Polaris is much improved upon GCN 1.1/1.2 but not to what extent yet.

Conclussion must be then that core speed does not equal end all be all but rather architecture is the determining first factor before you can even start looking at clock speeds. So saying a 1500mhz Polaris chip cannot keep up with or beat a 2+ghz chip is madness considering we know next to nothing about the actual polaris chip being used nor the improved architecture. Now im not saying polaris 10 will beat the 1070 or 1080 cause i dont think it will considering AMDs statements about p10 being mainstream(but i hope im wrong) but it's like saying that a 5ghz FX 8350 will always beat a i7 4770k at stock because GHZ!!! We all know the right answer to that last one.
 
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Perfect_Chaos said:
Not the best to me, obviously it's a personal thing.. So it's best for you, it's not best if one wants high frame rates on a single GPU is it? ;)
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Hoping the 1080 will be able to get good frame rates in new games, but yes if you want 144hz or 165hz then 27" is better.
 
Phixsator said:
Because GHZ above all else? thats why 390x can keep up with the 980 right? ohh i forgot the clock speed on the 390x is a good deal lower than the boost clock on 980. So here let me break it down for you

1)We know Pascal is slower clock for clock than maxwell.
2) we know that 390x keeps up with the 980 in most titles and win a few fights as well
3) We know that the 390x is clocked lower while doing this
4) and we know that Polaris is much improved but not to what extent yet.

Conclussion must be then that core speed does not equal end all be all but rather architecture is the determining first factor before you can even start looking at clock speeds. So saying a 1500mhz Polaris chip cannot keep up with or beat a 2+ghz chip is madness considering we know next to nothing about the actual polaris chip being used nor the improved architecture. Now im not saying polaris 10 will beat the 1070 or 1080 cause i dont think it will considering AMDs statements about p10 being mainstream(but i hope im wrong) but it's like saying that a 5ghz FX 8350 will always beat a i7 4770k at stock because GHZ!!! We all know the right answer to that last one.
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I said yes it probably will be faster than the 1080. But yes obviously clockspeed is important if the 1080 starts coming out with custom cards at 2.3Ghz and vega is not much better than Fury X, then Vega might not SMASH the 1080.
 
Ah fair enough. Yeah you would have thought crossfire/SLI would get better in time but seems to have gotten worst..
 
So going from the launch slides,Nvidia places the GTX1080 as being 70% faster than a GTX980.

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NirK said:
Yes ok no need to get upset about it, but 3440x1440 100hz gsync IS the best so I am allowed to say that

But just saying for example :

Fury X - 4096 cores, HBM memory

Vega - 4096 cores, HBM2 memory

So the vega could either be a much better card or just a fury X with HBM2 and higher clockspeeds.

I admit I have not researched / read much about Vega because I have Gsync so not interested in AMD.
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Me not get upset? Excuse me, you have been on my case for a few days now, I am not the one that is upset. I just don't get why me. Others are saying the same thing as me... Did I seem like a easy target or something? Lol :p

Funny thing is you ended up accusing me of doing something I was not and that you actually were lol, and making yourself look silly in the process. Told you from before, stop digging ;)

As for your monitor comment, I think that you will find it subjective. You can't say it IS for certain the best monitor, or resolution or aspect ratio.

Again, go ask Kaapstad, he will disagree with you. Pretty sure I read he prefers sharp graphics and much prefers 2160p @ 60Hz than anything else.

Is he wrong too? Nope, it is subjective and I happen to agree with him on this instance ;)
 
Does all look very good, I was hoping for 30% better than my old card, maybe it will be more like 35-40%. After all this hyping and graphs saying 1.7x 980, I am going to be disappointed if the 1080 is a measly 20% faster than a 980ti.
 
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Wish the 17th would hurry itself up!

My predictions:

1070 (OC) on par with 980 Ti reference.
1080 Founders > 980 Ti Reference by 25%

I don't believe that pascal is less efficient and slower clock for clock than maxwell either.
 
NirK said:
After all this hyping and graphs saying 1.7x 980, I am going to be disappointed if the 1080 is a measly 20% faster than a 980ti.
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It's not really much different if we're talking stock clock vs stock clock.

We dont really know how cautious or aggressive 'stock' clocks for the 1080 will be. Obviously they went fairly conservative with the higher end Maxwell cards, but they may feel more comfortable pushing things this time out.

Keep in mind how percentages work.

Let's use a baseline of 100. 100 performance, whatever the hell that means, just assume it's a unit of some sort.

1.7 x 100 = 170.

Now lets say there's a card that has a performance of 140. Whereas with a baseline of 100, each 0.1x improvement is equal to 10, each 0.1x improvement of 140 is 14.

So 20% more than 140 is 28. Or 168.

I'm not sure if a stock 980Ti is 40% better than a stock 980, but I would think it wouldn't be too far off that.
 
Seanspeed said:
It's not really much different if we're talking stock clock vs stock clock.

We dont really know how cautious or aggressive 'stock' clocks for the 1080 will be. Obviously they went fairly conservative with the higher end Maxwell cards, but they may feel more comfortable pushing things this time out.

Keep in mind how percentages work.

Let's use a baseline of 100. 100 performance, whatever the hell that means, just assume it's a unit of some sort.

1.7 x 100 = 170.

Now lets say there's a card that has a performance of 140. Whereas with a baseline of 100, each 0.1x improvement is equal to 10, each 0.1x improvement of 140 is 14.

So 20% more than 140 is 28. Or 168.

I'm not sure if a stock 980Ti is 40% better than a stock 980, but I would think it wouldn't be too far off that.
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I don't think the whole "clock for clock" thing really matters when it is looking like you will be able to get custom pre OC cards at 2.4ghz (if the rumours of the Gigabyte G1 being clocked at that are true)!

Pascal is clearly designed to run at very high clock speeds, where as to get anywhere near even the stock 1080 clock on a 980ti you will need LN2.

Also, stock vs stock a 980 Ti is ~30% faster than a 980. Not 40%
 
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