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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **
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i don't want a triple or quad sli review but just with two GTX1080i don't find anything
Someone has done this I think. IIRC it was one of Jay's mates who borrowed his card to do it. I am sure it's a recent youtube vid. I'll go look for it.
Here it is....TeK Syndicate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPBgsWlm4sA
SLI bits in this next one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQYsl360v1A
Actually this is a very hype free review.
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Yep, and the mid level cards now have the high level price.
The 1080 is a mid range card, Several people throughout this thread have pointed that out on many occasions. They have also pointed out that it's replacing the 980, which launched at $549, a $50 increase in price, so from that point of view it might not seem too bad a price rise.
But, I also remember other experts on this board telling me that the new node would be much cheaper and prices would be more reasonable. So to be honest I was expecting the price to be a little less than the 980 launch price.
The other problem I have with these arguments, is why are people comparing the price of the high end cards from previous years? Excluding the Titan cards, the x80Ti cards have been the high end cards from each generation for the last few years. The x80 and x70 cards are all mid range.
Like somebody compared the price of the 8800 GTX ultra as evidence that the prices haven't increased that much. But, that card was the Titan of it's time. There was the 8800 GTX based on the same G80. While the 8800 GT was built on the G84. So that's the card you have to compare to. Because the 1080 is built on the GP104, and as you can look back through most of Nvidia's cards and you will find the same thing the GP104, GM104, GF104 etc have all been mid range parts.
What people are trying to say, is that it's not the price of the high end that's the problem. People who buy the high end, want the best and are willing to pay. It's the mid range been priced as high end is what people are having issues with.
But, I also remember other experts on this board telling me that the new node would be much cheaper and prices would be more reasonable. So to be honest I was expecting the price to be a little less than the 980 launch price.
The other problem I have with these arguments, is why are people comparing the price of the high end cards from previous years? Excluding the Titan cards, the x80Ti cards have been the high end cards from each generation for the last few years. The x80 and x70 cards are all mid range.
Like somebody compared the price of the 8800 GTX ultra as evidence that the prices haven't increased that much. But, that card was the Titan of it's time. There was the 8800 GTX based on the same G80. While the 8800 GT was built on the G84. So that's the card you have to compare to. Because the 1080 is built on the GP104, and as you can look back through most of Nvidia's cards and you will find the same thing the GP104, GM104, GF104 etc have all been mid range parts.
What people are trying to say, is that it's not the price of the high end that's the problem. People who buy the high end, want the best and are willing to pay. It's the mid range been priced as high end is what people are having issues with.
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I'm pretty sure if we just stopped buying these products at the prices being offered, they wouldn't suddenly just go, "Ah shucks ok, how about $200 off then?", as if it's just some big picture haggle. They still have to recoup investment costs from R&D and manage profit margins in order to continue to justify making these products.
Stop buying them and instead of it meaning we get top end cards for $400-500, it just means they stop making them because they cant justify it.
If somebody was telling you that a brand new chip on a new process was going to be cheaper than a chip on a process that was half a decade mature, then they were not 'an expert'.
probably whilst simultaneously voting to leave the EU which is probably the biggest reason you are now paying more for your dollars.
What?????
First off we have not had the vote yet, so the full effect if any (+/-) has yet to take hold or show up in any real way, the biggest effect on the dollar to pound was in 2008 with the global crash since then there has been little change i.e been a little up & down for near on 8 years....so i fail to understand how the EU has helped us??????
Being the 5th largest economy will help us and going out has as much chance of making the pound strong again, as clearly the 8 Years the EU had, has done little to nothing
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The 8800gtx is in no way at all comparable to 1080, it was a close to 500mm^2 die size expensive card that offered a normal die size performance boost of around 70-80%. For that you paid heavily, but it offered a level of performance completely unmatched by the previous generation. IE with 80% more performance back then maybe 1600x1200 gave the same frame rate as 1280x1024, it gave a completely different amount of performance.
A 1080 is no where near 80% faster, it isn't going to make 4k playable at the same frame rate as 1440p, or even 1440p playable at the same framerate at 1080p. So no, they shouldn't charge high end prices, it's neither a high end die size, high end performance for a new process node nor is it the high end card from Pascal architecture at 16nm.
It's a midrange card in everything but price and it's entirely unsurprising to see who is claiming it is a high end card with the 'same price' as previous high end cards.
If it offered the same 70-80% performance boost over the previous generation that the 8800gtx did, then it would deserve to be called a high end card and be priced as such.
Inflation is a completely and utterly invalid argument not least because you're comparing entirely different ranges of cards and the performance level those prices commanded. Technology has constantly changing production which reduces cost to produce, package and ship the cards over time. Milk, bread, housing, these aren't going through technological advances of a massive scale every few years. Prices are subject to inflation because wages go up slowly and with it the cost of producing the same amount of milk increases. Bricks aren't being produced in new faster ways every few years, so the cost of producing bricks increases slowly over time with the wages of those making the bricks. Housing costs go up over time because the costs of all the things used to build houses aren't changing much over time.
Those products have a reason for prices to be relatively in line with inflation, technology and graphics cards absolutely do not.
A 1080 is no where near 80% faster, it isn't going to make 4k playable at the same frame rate as 1440p, or even 1440p playable at the same framerate at 1080p. So no, they shouldn't charge high end prices, it's neither a high end die size, high end performance for a new process node nor is it the high end card from Pascal architecture at 16nm.
It's a midrange card in everything but price and it's entirely unsurprising to see who is claiming it is a high end card with the 'same price' as previous high end cards.
If it offered the same 70-80% performance boost over the previous generation that the 8800gtx did, then it would deserve to be called a high end card and be priced as such.
Inflation is a completely and utterly invalid argument not least because you're comparing entirely different ranges of cards and the performance level those prices commanded. Technology has constantly changing production which reduces cost to produce, package and ship the cards over time. Milk, bread, housing, these aren't going through technological advances of a massive scale every few years. Prices are subject to inflation because wages go up slowly and with it the cost of producing the same amount of milk increases. Bricks aren't being produced in new faster ways every few years, so the cost of producing bricks increases slowly over time with the wages of those making the bricks. Housing costs go up over time because the costs of all the things used to build houses aren't changing much over time.
Those products have a reason for prices to be relatively in line with inflation, technology and graphics cards absolutely do not.
funny that a 295X2 is still faster for less money
fury duo will be the king single card
295 X 2 launch price was a lot though
I know it dropped to 499 eventually but it was 999 + VAT IIRC
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Despite evidence to the contrary people still try to argue the toss. 
Stop Buying them and it may mean we get Mid-range cards for $400 - $500 and not the $599 - $699 that they are trying to get for them. God knows what they will put the 1080 Ti or 1080 Titan out for...
Oh and that is without the price gouging from retailers and may not even include UK taxes of 20%
Normal partner cards will probably be £500-£520. Nvidia has basically said they have put a $100 price premium on the Founders reference card to enable its partners to sell theirs for less.
A Gigabyte G1 Gaming card is not a normal card. I would expect that to be more than the Nvidia reference card
Titan-X: £850
980TI: £500
980: £400
970: £300
1080 founders edition: £620
1080 AIB: £550
1070 founders edition: £420
1070 AIB: £350
A step up in performance for a step up in price.
4 Weeks ago if i said Pascal would be a step up in performance but also more expensive i would have been accused of trolling.
Pascal TX £1000
1080TI founders edition: £750
1080TI AIB: £670
980TI: £500
980: £400
970: £300
1080 founders edition: £620
1080 AIB: £550
1070 founders edition: £420
1070 AIB: £350
A step up in performance for a step up in price.
4 Weeks ago if i said Pascal would be a step up in performance but also more expensive i would have been accused of trolling.
Pascal TX £1000
1080TI founders edition: £750
1080TI AIB: £670
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You think there are no increased costs that go up with all the R&D that goes on behind the scenes? That people's wages who work these jobs haven't gone up at all? That the processes involved with production and manufacturing and distribution, despite continued efforts to reduce costs - dont still ultimately go up overall?
Just because something is iterative and technology-based doesn't mean it's somehow immune to inflation or that costs can always magically be brought down to what they were before. I dont know who you are fooling with such made-up arguments.
You mean like the 1070?
But yes, we could get a slight reduction in prices. But not some massive drop. And not just because of greed.
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Its a Maxwell die shrink.
Yes i agree, this isn't progress, its higher tier cards for higher tier money. thats all. moore's law does not apply to Nvidia or Intel for that matter.
These things are smaller and cheaper to make, and yet more expensive at the consumer end.
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The speculative 1080ti and Titan do not exist. They have not been announced by NVIDIA. They are not part of the range of GPUs NVIDIA make.
Therefore as it stands, the 1080 is top of the current range of GPUs, whatever the range may eventually be. The current range of the 10x cards is the 1070 and the 1080. The 1080 is top of that range.
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the price of houses has nothing to do with the cost of building houses
inflation in the UK is around 0.3-0.5% yet houses are going up by around 5% PA nad always have done
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Agreed, the 1080 is a high end card, and the new Titan/Ti based on GP100 will be an enthusiast card.
I think a lot of folks feel the need to put the new card down just so their noses dont get put out of joint