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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

drunkenmaster said:
The 8800gtx is in no way at all comparable to 1080, it was a close to 500mm^2 die size expensive card that offered a normal die size performance boost of around 70-80%. For that you paid heavily, but it offered a level of performance completely unmatched by the previous generation. IE with 80% more performance back then maybe 1600x1200 gave the same frame rate as 1280x1024, it gave a completely different amount of performance.

A 1080 is no where near 80% faster, it isn't going to make 4k playable at the same frame rate as 1440p, or even 1440p playable at the same framerate at 1080p. So no, they shouldn't charge high end prices, it's neither a high end die size, high end performance for a new process node nor is it the high end card from Pascal architecture at 16nm.

It's a midrange card in everything but price and it's entirely unsurprising to see who is claiming it is a high end card with the 'same price' as previous high end cards.

If it offered the same 70-80% performance boost over the previous generation that the 8800gtx did, then it would deserve to be called a high end card and be priced as such.

Inflation is a completely and utterly invalid argument not least because you're comparing entirely different ranges of cards and the performance level those prices commanded. Technology has constantly changing production which reduces cost to produce, package and ship the cards over time. Milk, bread, housing, these aren't going through technological advances of a massive scale every few years. Prices are subject to inflation because wages go up slowly and with it the cost of producing the same amount of milk increases. Bricks aren't being produced in new faster ways every few years, so the cost of producing bricks increases slowly over time with the wages of those making the bricks. Housing costs go up over time because the costs of all the things used to build houses aren't changing much over time.

Those products have a reason for prices to be relatively in line with inflation, technology and graphics cards absolutely do not.
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Don't like it then don't buy it I'm not and keeping my 980ti's but don't need a massive post about it.

Removing the price from it all and its a very impressive bit of kit
 
drunkenmaster said:
The 8800gtx is in no way at all comparable to 1080, it was a close to 500mm^2 die size
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I'm going to stop you right there. Since when has Die size the only factor that affected pricing?

Do people really get tape measure out and measure chip size before deciding on whether a GPU is appropriately priced. Do What about the board size, i know AMD was marketing the nano as having the best performance per inch of graphics card.


The 1080 definitely costs more than the 980Ti to produce, more expensive VRAM and more of it and a much more expensive process with lower yields.

Not that GPU manufacturing cost has a big impact on pricing, consumers don't care at all how much a graphics cards cost NVidia or AMD to produce.

They care about performance, features and price. the 1080 is 25-45% faster than the 980Ti, it can come in at similar price points.
 
Spook187 said:
Going to ditch my R290 for the 1080, is that a worthwhile upgrade?
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if you enjoy the sanctity of your rectum, then i would not pre-order and would wait till after launch. Especially if you are considering a 'Founders' edition since they are not worth the money, they throttle and dont hold above their stated boost unless you keep the fan on 100%.

Also to see what Polaris has to offer.
 
humbug said:
Titan-X: £850
980TI: £500
980: £400
970: £300

1080 founders edition: £620
1080 AIB: £550
1070 founders edition: £420
1070 AIB: £350

A step up in performance for a step up in price.
4 Weeks ago if i said Pascal would be a step up in performance but also more expensive i would have been accused of trolling.

Pascal TX £1000
1080TI founders edition: £750
1080TI AIB: £670
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Titan X was £899
 
TwsT said:
It's not pretty sure the people who say it are just baiting.

I mean we don't even know a 1080TI is coming sure it's likely but who knows nvidia might have something else planned wouldn't be the first time they changed it up.
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a 1090 with 2 1080's on same board - now that would be nice! And expensive! :D
 
tyler_jrb said:
Jayz review
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So another review stating it thermal throttles, and drops all the way down to the base clock.

Not exactly that great for 180W card with a Vapor Chamber cooler.

I wonder if the "new" cooler is a cutdown version of the one in the Titan X, as surely a similar one would be able to handle a 180W card at stock.

Good to know that the card's fan is quieter though, 80% on it still quieter than 50% on 980Ti/Titan X is nice.
 
Are people seriously disappointed that the 1080 will not run ultra settings 4k 60fps... Do 30 mins research and it should be very obvious that even the 1080ti will struggle to run new games at 4k ultra 60fps. I read a comment below a review "I am seriously disappointed this card does not allow 4k ultra 60fps"
 
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