** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

[Gregster]

Jen should have done this. He is far better than any guy i have seen in a gpu conference. Loads of people really believed the 2 x perf . Seriously though the man is good at what he does.

Not really and loads of people (well a couple here that I know of) are taking what Jen Hsun said out of context and he was saying 2 x the performance in VR. Not that it really matters though, as like I said earlier, people will look to whatever they can to make something look bad when they either A) - can't afford it, B) - No interest and just want to make something look bad for self pleasure or C) - Being really thick and not understanding it.

 

[Legend]

Yea, surprised that nobody clapped for the guy though.. either they were surprised or too many Nvidia fans..

Lol, yeah, I can imagine the stunned faces in the room as they whispered to each other "...he dares question the Gods!??"

 

[Jono8]

It seems to have really backfired on nvdia.The goal was seemingly harmless: if nvidia sell reference card really cheap then it reduces competitiveness with the AIB partners' offerings. The problem is there is no guarantee that the AIB partners will release a lot of the $599 cards so it looks like a price jump.

It was a stupid idea. Very few actually care about that cooler and most ( myself included) will prefer a custom cooled version.

If they do indeed start at $699 and the AIB's ignore the $599 MSRP then i will avoid the 1080 completely.

 

[maonayze]

Not sure if this has been posted yet and apologies if it has

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtely2GDxhU

It's the PC Perspective Interview with Tom Petersen from Nvidia and he goes into all the aspects of the 1080 in a fair bit of detail and covers all new features too. I have only seen 90mins so far but found it interesting nonetheless (its 155 mins long, so good value for money) LOL

@Gregster it will make you want the 1080 just for the VR features over the Maxwell cards. Also didn't realise that SMP is Pascal architecture ONLY.

 

[sniperone]

Is the price for the 1080 that everyone is quoting correct ?

 

[Gregster]

It was a stupid idea. Very few actually care about that cooler and most ( myself included) will prefer a custom cooled version.

If they do indeed start at $699 and the AIB's ignore the $599 MSRP then i will avoid the 1080 completely.

Yer, the more I look at this, I just can't understand what NVidia are playing at. $599 was more than fine in my book and hell, even $699 I can swallow but the $100 premium and then either expecting AIB's to sell cheaper is a bit of a **** take of the AIB's really. It wouldn't hurt them to re-evaluate the price prior to launch but I can't see that happening.

 

[Jono8]

Is the price for the 1080 that everyone is quoting correct ?

The UK price is still a rumour ( think just one review came up with it but isnt verified and it looks like UK retailers are actually still under nda)

The MSRP's are real.

 

[Gerard]

 

[TheRealDeal]

Not really and loads of people (well a couple here that I know of) are taking what Jen Hsun said out of context and he was saying 2 x the performance in VR. Not that it really matters though, as like I said earlier, people will look to whatever they can to make something look bad when they either A) - can't afford it, B) - No interest and just want to make something look bad for self pleasure or C) - Being really thick and not understanding it.

Watch the full segment and come back. It was VR for the first part and then it was not. I could buy one every month no probs. Sure it would hurt but i could. My morals and brains would not let me though.

 

[DiscoDave]

Painful watching that was. Fair questions as well and the NVidia guy didn't really have a response.

Yup I don't think the responses were completely on point. He even mistakenly calls the "founders edition" a "reference" card.

I mean he's not wrong but it highlights the exact reason why people are a bit confused/angry at nVidia. They're selling the base reference card at a ridiculous price point, justified by "better thermals".

Are you ******* kidding me? Who honestly cares if it's a few MM thinner than another card.

They're trying something new because at the moment there's nothing to compete with it. If AMD had a competing product now I would bet money there would be no "founders" edition.

I'm also confident in saying there will be no "founders" edition for the 1080Ti/Titan.

I was really excited about the 1080 launch but I'm left feeling rather deflated.

 

[Mauller]

Watch the full segment and come back. It was VR for the first part and then it was not.

They were also throwing around 2x performance when talking about the 980 and how it beats 980 sli. But i think they kept throwing around 2x performance with the context long gone.

 

[Gerard]

Painful watching that was. Fair questions as well and the NVidia guy didn't really have a response.

That actually sounds like Kyle Bennett from hardocp to me.

ed: it was him actually

 

[DarrenM343]

Not really and loads of people (well a couple here that I know of) are taking what Jen Hsun said out of context and he was saying 2 x the performance in VR. Not that it really matters though, as like I said earlier, people will look to whatever they can to make something look bad when they either A) - can't afford it, B) - No interest and just want to make something look bad for self pleasure or C) - Being really thick and not understanding it.

Must admit it caught out me. I put it down to a 2am wake up and trying to watch it and listen to it on my crappy laptop with shi** speakers.

I think he should have made it more clear though as I believe it was easy to be caught out with what he said - it wasn't immediately qualified with ".......at VR" for example

 

[D.P.]

It was a stupid idea. Very few actually care about that cooler and most ( myself included) will prefer a custom cooled version.

If they do indeed start at $699 and the AIB's ignore the $599 MSRP then i will avoid the 1080 completely.

Its definitely stupid, they didn't think it all the way through.

 

[andybird123]

Yer, the more I look at this, I just can't understand what NVidia are playing at. $599 was more than fine in my book and hell, even $699 I can swallow but the $100 premium and then either expecting AIB's to sell cheaper is a bit of a **** take of the AIB's really. It wouldn't hurt them to re-evaluate the price prior to launch but I can't see that happening.

I can see the argument that plastic shrouds are cheaper to produce, but i really hope they are being genuine in saying that there will be AIB cards on launch day and not just price gouging.

I dont expect custom PCBs on launch day, but ref pcb with 2 or 3 fans should be there

 

[harney]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCfn4y8dBw&feature=youtu.be&t=270

lol

Gee wizz

So like i said before the founders card is a buffer.. basically for the partners so not to look bad with the high prices there coming in at.

so looks like the partner blowers stranded cards like the galax card ect will be the lower price ones and anything more custom g1's ect are going to be more than £630

 

[smilertoo]

Didn't there used to be claims that cuda or something would be 10x faster?

 

[Legend]

It seems to have really backfired on nvdia.The goal was seemingly harmless: if nvidia sell reference card really cheap then it reduces competitiveness with the AIB partners' offerings. The problem is there is no guarantee that the AIB partners will release a lot of the $599 cards so it looks like a price jump.

I'd not be so quick to believe the 'harmless' nature of Nvidia's move here. Does anyone HONESTLY think they didn't realise by hiking the price of a standard (non OC'd) reference card, that it wasn't going to give AIB's permission to hike their cards even higher?? $699 is now the base... OK, it's a nice card, well put together with some quality components, but it still performs as stock, nothing amazing. HOW ON EARTH is an AIB not going to seize the opportunity here to charge MORE for a card that runs QUIETER, COOLER and FASTER with better OC capability???! Won't happen. The ONLY cards at the $599 point will be cheap-o brands which do actually run worse than the FE with crappy blower coolers, or junk fans and no OC ability. The moment an AIB puts another power connector on there, goodbye $599, hello $699 and beyond!!

 

[Gerard]

Hardocp editorial on the paper launch


http://hardocp.com/article/2016/05/...bizarre_secret_paper_launch_ever#.Vzy66ZErIUE

 

[D.P.]

Yup I don't think the responses were completely on point. He even mistakenly calls the "founders edition" a "reference" card.

I mean he's not wrong but it highlights the exact reason why people are a bit confused/angry at nVidia. They're selling the base reference card at a ridiculous price point, justified by "better thermals".

Are you ******* kidding me? Who honestly cares if it's a few MM thinner than another card.

They're trying something new because at the moment there's nothing to compete with it. If AMD had a competing product now I would bet money there would be no "founders" edition.

I'm also confident in saying there will be no "founders" edition for the 1080Ti/Titan.

I was really excited about the 1080 launch but I'm left feeling rather deflated.

I don't think they are trying anything new, they are trying to make their AIB partners happy and totally forgetting how this actually pans out in the real.


Nvidia sells reference cards through AIB normally at veyr low price points, which makes it much harder for the AIB's to be competitive when they add much more expensive coolers. Nvidia have tried to please AIB partners by making the reference card have a higher quality cooler and sell it at the same premium prices that the AIB custom cards would likely sell at. thereby nvidia have eliminated the competition with AIB partners.

The problem is as a consumer most AIB card wont come out at the MSRP base price. Plus it sounds like the cooler is really not that great anyway.