Something has to give on this front - there are still companies that depend on exporting goods and services to the UK and they will not be keen on watching that evaporate.
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Something has to give on this front - there are still companies that depend on exporting goods and services to the UK and they will not be keen on watching that evaporate.
and yet again, you totally ignore that we have to set up departments to handle stuff that the eu has done. and massive departments at that as we have huge negotiations to do of a like we haven't seen, and in an incredibly small time frame,
and you still wont admit you are totally wrong on the amount,
I've been on the fence regarding the referendum vote for a long time, so I wouldn't consider my views as blinkered. I feel that like many voters, I waded through a river of BS and hysteria, looked for actual facts and information, and came to a considered decision from there.
Come on, do you really think I should be proud someone has their own viewpoint, despite it being a racist, xenophobic and/or purely paranoid delusional viewpoint? Or are you just enjoying trying to bait here?
The old are not as abundant on Facebook and will take up pitch forks instead.
but this ignores the complexity and the ramification of further Eu referendums,
Now the dust has settled a bit more...
I'm surprised there are still some people so keen to put the win down purely to immigration. In certain areas, this has undoubtedly played a part, but I don't think it's at the forefront of everyone's thinking. In fact I don't think we'll bring in severe immigration controls at all, but we should definitely exercise our right to refuse people as we see fit, such as convicted murderers that we previously have had to let in without a choice.
The original idea behind the EU is what the EFTA/EEA provide now, that we all work together for trade, and free movement, etc. I don't think people ever wanted an unelected bureaucracy in Brussels ordering us about - in fact I bet even most Remain voters don't want this.
Market jitters are to be expected, and it may last a while, though so far it hasn't been particularly bad. In Germany for example, they are already keen to do business with us, we're one of their largest selling markets for cars. This won't change.
I think we're all for working with other European countries on pretty much any issue you can imagine, but unelected bureaucrats shouldn't be able to tell us what laws we can and can't have, for example. That isn't right, or fair.
It's good we never joined the Euro, it sounds like many Remain voters would have voted to Leave if staying meant we had to adopt the Euro. To me, this shows people aren't really that keen on the EU. We'd always have one foot in, and one foot out. Many European countries are very different, merging identities has never made much sense to me. One economic plan that all countries follow isn't a clever idea, it's foolish, look at how Greece is now unable to devalue it's currency. We never learnt from the ERM either.
Immigration itself is no bad thing, but uncontrolled immigration within the EU is just illogical. There could be many people outside the EU who more than deserve to come here, but could struggle, where as any number of unskilled (or worse) workers within the EU are free to come here at any time presently.
Britain is known as the mother of all parliaments, and we've now found ourselves with limited control of our laws, which is simply unacceptable.
I'm surprised there are still some people so keen to put the win down purely to immigration. In certain areas, this has undoubtedly played a part, but I don't think it's at the forefront of everyone's thinking. In fact I don't think we'll bring in severe immigration controls at all, but we should definitely exercise our right to refuse people as we see fit, such as convicted murderers that we previously have had to let in without a choice.
The original idea behind the EU is what the EFTA/EEA provide now, that we all work together for trade, and free movement, etc. I don't think people ever wanted an unelected bureaucracy in Brussels ordering us about - in fact I bet even most Remain voters don't want this.
Market jitters are to be expected, and it may last a while, though so far it hasn't been particularly bad. In Germany for example, they are already keen to do business with us, we're one of their largest selling markets for cars. This won't change.
I think we're all for working with other European countries on pretty much any issue you can imagine, but unelected bureaucrats shouldn't be able to tell us what laws we can and can't have, for example. That isn't right, or fair.
It's good we never joined the Euro, it sounds like many Remain voters would have voted to Leave if staying meant we had to adopt the Euro. To me, this shows people aren't really that keen on the EU. We'd always have one foot in, and one foot out. Many European countries are very different, merging identities has never made much sense to me. One economic plan that all countries follow isn't a clever idea, it's foolish, look at how Greece is now unable to devalue it's currency. We never learnt from the ERM either.
Immigration itself is no bad thing, but uncontrolled immigration within the EU is just illogical. There could be many people outside the EU who more than deserve to come here, but could struggle, where as any number of unskilled (or worse) workers within the EU are free to come here at any time presently.
Britain is known as the mother of all parliaments, and we've now found ourselves with limited control of our laws, which is simply unacceptable.
With J.P. Morgan out, Morgan Stanley out potentially Airbus and Nissan out too the pound going down...where finance (along with tourism) is key... well...
I still think it was a great moral decision to be taken, however I would not push that too far...unless you do not make serious agreement with the Commonwealth...
Based on wishful thinking.
Getting preferential trade with no payments unlike everyone else would be some kind of reward.
At which point, with good reason, absolutely everyone else would demand the same.
See, we get £5.5bn of EU money. We also get about £3bn of import duties. Import duty is centrally collected to the EU and distributed to member states (as Rotterdam has a major stranglehold as port of entry and it wouldn't be fair if Netherlands kept all that import duty). So how much of that do we lose out on now? The money coming in from the EU will evaporate and we won't have anywhere near as much as people think we will back.
The first thing to be aware of is the £350m a week figure includes the rebate, money we never actually send to the EU. Of the remaining £276m a week which we send to the EU, we receive a certain percentage back in subsidies and to fund regional projects. When you take into account everything we receive, our contribution to the EU is £161m a week.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36470341
The UK government pays farm subsidy direct
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"setup departments to handle the stuff the eu has done."
Well they are the first to get sacked I imagine. Ouch!
Scaremongering
Change is indeed good, except when you cut off a finger or a hand. The doctors (experts) are saying it's probably a bad idea while 50% of the population, mainly represented by the majority of old and high school educated people, think it's a great idea.
We will find out in the coming months/years who was right but, make no mistake, we will spill a lot of hot tea cups during that time.
EU and Eurozone will easily survive Brexit. The axis of power will shift, UK was the go-to influential leader and support for a lot of member states. EU will insist and encourage fast separation and most likely become very difficult in post exit negotiations purely as a warning to separatist fringe forces in France and Holland.
I keep switching between several news stations throughout the day and it looks like press on mainland continent mostly see Brexit as the end of United Kingdom rather than end of EU. Scotland and Northern Ireland are widely expected to separate from UK. Most pundits blame Cameron for being stupid enough to gamble the future of the once European powerhouse away just for the sake of shutting up small backbench rebellion during last elections. A lot of commentators are tired and surprised by Farage, considered to be strange/trolling electoral non-entity with no real life support numbers that would translate to seats or influence or power and yet the man keeps on resurfacing all over the shop claiming victory and postulating national holidays.
I keep switching between several news stations throughout the day and it looks like press on mainland continent mostly see Brexit as the end of United Kingdom rather than end of EU. Scotland and Northern Ireland are widely expected to separate from UK. Most pundits blame Cameron for being stupid enough to gamble the future of the once European powerhouse away just for the sake of shutting up small backbench rebellion during last elections. A lot of commentators are tired and surprised by Farage, considered to be strange/trolling electoral non-entity with no real life support numbers that would translate to seats or influence or power and yet the man keeps on resurfacing all over the shop claiming victory and postulating national holidays.
at last you admit the 350m figure you've been using upto a few minutes ago is a lie.
however you are still ignoring everything we now have to spend it on, trade duties, and loss of economy.
don't know why you keep posting such figures as that totally ignores my points, if you haven't noticed no where have I said we aren't a net giver to the eu. but still at least we have 1 part sorted now.
Things can always change, we still have 3 months left until a new PM is chosen. For all we know with the current volatility, the pound could completely collapse in the time until then, leaving everyone desperate for a quick solution. I'm sure parliament would move to block the referendum result in that case.
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