Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

[Felon]

When you say a complete and utter lie, I do believe there is still a sizable net amount that is in the EU favour? A quick google suggests £120 Million - £188 Million..

The £350 Million is the gross amount, which was disingenuous but it's almost as if people think that the £350 million had absolutely no basis at all.

To say that £350M was under control by the EU wouldn't have been THAT bad, because it is the cost of the liability.

However that's not what was said, the £350M is how much would be saved, which could be given to the NHS in the event of brexit.

Because we don't spent £350M in the first place, there's no mathematical possibility of making that saving, so it was a lie - and so the claim being made in the first place, has no basis.

 

[Raikiri]

So unless you went to university you are stupid, probably a racist and your vote shouldnt count?

I literally just said you aren't stupid or uneducated for voting leave and I never called anyone without a Uni education stupid. If I did I would be calling myself stupid, which would be pretty ****ing stupid.

I never said anyone's vote shouldn't count.

I never used the word stupid and I never said you are probably a racist. Just that a racist would be more likely to support the leave movement.

You keep putting words into my mouth

 

[Domi]

When you say a complete and utter lie, I do believe there is still a sizable net amount that is in the EU favour? A quick google suggests £120 Million - £188 Million..

The £350 Million is the gross amount, which was disingenuous but it's almost as if people think that the £350 million had absolutely no basis at all.

If the total is £250 million a week why lie and say it is £350.

Honestly how simple is that point.

 

[Poneros]

The pound recovered yesterday and we were once again above France. Probably best to fact check these things.

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1W

And we haven't even left yet. What do you think it's gonna look like once more deals fall through and relocation happens?

 

[Raymond Lin]

The EU hasn't changed in 50 years, and its problems have been getting bigger and bigger. What makes you so sure it will change now?

I'm 29 and never mentioned once in these debates about "British spirit" or whatever you're referring to. I voted leave so we could be a self governing democracy, something a lot of other people (in increasing numbers) in Europe want too.

i meant they might change. Even if do change, either way, we are not in it.

and that is fine that you want to be self governing, I get that. But what does that mean exactly? It means we have rights to do what that we didn't before? What specific restrictions in the membership that you so opposed on exactly? Instead of a general stick a finger to the suits in Brussels.

Because I like free movement of goods and workers, I like cheap flights into Europe, I like not having to pay import tax on buying things from France or Italy or Germany.

 

[Buckster]

I think whatever happens post Brexit there will be a period of severe financial difficulty

hope people are prepared for that

 

[Raymond Lin]

Raymond lin resorting to film like insults

Well done ! That's how you convince people you are right

You brought up the point of education.

I replied with an example of OUR respective education.

I studied law, you studied film.

Yes, we are both educated, but we are not exactly talking about movies now are we?

 

[Poneros]

But unlike while being in the EU, the government can Nationalise businesses again if need be. therefore saving jobs and industry till a buyer comes.

Which of course means passing the cost on to all tax-payers, to salvage an unprofitable business, for politicians' political capital.

 

[wildman]

But unlike while being in the EU, the government can Nationalise businesses again if need be. therefore saving jobs and industry till a buyer comes.

and where will they get the money from to nationalise them ? Use their savings from not having to pay for EU membership.

So the 350 million, that is actually only circa 190 million, which was going to the NHS is now going to nationalise everyh failing industry this country has, while making up the subsidy payments we lose via the CAP and still pumping the same amount of money into Wales, Cornwall et.al, without reducing workers rights so we will get more done with less and not have to increase our deficit through more expensive borrowing due to the impending credit downgrade we will get hit with and not increase taxes so as to not **** off the working class that wanted to quit the EU.

Yep sounds like a solid plan for fiscal success to me kiddo

 

[Mauller]

“I want to speak directly to the millions of people who did not vote for this outcome, especially young people, who may feel that this decision in some way involves pulling up a drawbridge,” he said. “I think the very opposite is true. We can control our own borders in a way that is not discriminatory but fair and balanced, and take the wind out of the sails of the extremists and those who would play politics with immigration.”

Boris Johnson a man who is very much pro immigration.

You can still be pro immigration and want to control the numbers of immigrants.

it's the people who have an agenda to let uncontrolled immigration to occur that shout the loudest against those who want to control it. Considering Cameron had no response to why the Tories had not brought down non eu migration.

 

[StriderX]

I think whatever happens post Brexit there will be a period of severe financial difficulty

hope people are prepared for that

It will happen anyway, the global market is addicted to overextension, maybe this is the kick in the teeth that is required to put it off another decade.

But We still have issues with Chinese growth/housing market there, Climate pressures on big manufacturers in SE Asia (a lot of chip manufacturers will end up flooded out of business), the Wall St. probably has another amazing idea on how to make quick bucks... It never ends, because we love turmoil.

 

[easyrider]

You brought up the point of education.

I replied with an example of OUR respective education.

I studied law, you studied film.

Yes, we are both educated, but we are not exactly talking about movies now are we?

I didn't study film.

You made a statement that the electorate was mis informed.

What does this mean? You have a law degree so therefore have more of an understanding on the EU?

 

[bloodline76]

Problem is there was "intelligent facts" to back up all the misrepresented (by yourself) information. The problem was many leavers didn't want to listen to "experts", rather showmen politicians like Farage.

Heck even me of the main commentators on the election night coverage stated he was ignoring the experts, to Dimblebys absolute amazement.

Very arrogant of you to say how or why I voted without knowing or speaking to me. I was pointing out that both parties came up with insane arguments if you read my post instead of just judging me. These were the most broadcasted and spoke about claims.

Just because you have people like Farage spurting out rubbish doesn't mean all leavers support his words or claims. You might have based your vote on tv personalities but that doesn't mean the rest of the country did. David Beckham voted remain, I guess we should do what he suggests?

Please do educate me with your facts. I am open minded.

 

[Edrof]

NEWS FLASH.

Not all Leavers were old and racist; not all Remainers were young and not-racist. The EU was good for some and bad for others: PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT. Any misfortune in the next ten years will automatically be blamed on the Leave camp by some, whether it is true or not, and most newspapers will promote the division to make money.

Wouldn't it be lovely if we saw this as a clean slate and got on with building a future we will all share.

 

[Demon]

To say that £350M was under control by the EU wouldn't have been THAT bad, because it is the cost of the liability.

However that's not what was said, the £350M is how much would be saved, which could be given to the NHS in the event of brexit.

Because we don't spent £350M in the first place, there's no mathematical possibility of making that saving, so it was a lie - and so the claim being made in the first place, has no basis.

Thanks, I understand the mechanics of the 'lie', what I think is disingenuous is to peddle it as if it's completely fabricated.. it's misrepresented for sure, but the reality is, there is an amount we send to Brussels that is far in excess of what we get back..

 

[Raymond Lin]

I didn't study film.

What does this mean? You have a law degree so therefore have more of an understanding on the EU?

Well, what did you do your degree in? Enlighten us.

Does a doctor who study medicine have a more understanding of medicine than someone who didn't study medicine?

 

[Things change I've changed]

“I want to speak directly to the millions of people who did not vote for this outcome, especially young people, who may feel that this decision in some way involves pulling up a drawbridge,” he said. “I think the very opposite is true. We can control our own borders in a way that is not discriminatory but fair and balanced, and take the wind out of the sails of the extremists and those who would play politics with immigration.”

Boris Johnson a man who is very much pro immigration.

What is more fair than free movement? rather than restricting it to richer or skilled workers?

I've already gotten used to the fact that I can go anywhere I want in the EU and live and start a new life if I want, just as I can in the UK, I don't see the problem at all unless your country is lagging behind on infrastructure and people instead blame it on lack of immigration control which is BS.

 

[davewhite04]

Yes we can.

Yes, we will take some of your potatoes, but will charge an extra 20% for the privilege of selling them to our population.

Source please.

 

[Amp34]

I've already mentioned it earlier in the thread but I'll say it again... the only reason the vote was so close is because so many uneducated people voted for remain.

If the lines were so clear with regards to informed professionals vs uneducated plebs, leave would have won by a landslide, not a few percent.

I'd go and look up how statistics and probability work before making another post about the subject...

 

[StriderX]

I wouldnt even mind the EURO anyway if we decided after a couple of decades of seeing the EU reform (probably wont), I honestly have no love of the Sterling, it would finally put an end to the multiple tender ******** in Scotland/England.