Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

[datalol-jack]

Let's be honest. If there's any money left, it's staying in London. The north and Wales will suffer.

Let's be honest, anything that's left (thin air) will go towards the current deficit, and that's that. The farmers will now better discover that global competition is real, and the incoming cabinet isn't in an ideological or pragmatically giving mood. In the extreme case, our farming will go quickly as a thing, and our steel will be absorbed via either Chinese investment, trade deal or elimination by a cheaper alternative, even if it isn't dumped. And I'm not even being vicious about it, tis just a very likely reality, and thus people who shouted 'av it EU' will not have to a) compete with it proper b) compete or die against an open field. I don't see Britain becoming ultra protectionist either in terms of key industries, labour or services. It'd would be a silly thing to do and cost too much. Hence the problem for people expecting subsidies, helping hand, alternative Britain, Bolshevik communism, whatever.

 

[delta0]

what happens if there is a Pro-EU party

and they win the GE ?

That is a key point. I think they will be reluctant to initiate article 50 and will likely try to push for a second vote with some EU giveaways.

 

[Tunney]

In "The North" we're still waiting to become a powerhouse. We still get that right

The Northern Powerhouse was literally moved to London by the Conservative government.

 

[Buckster]

I know but surely we need to look at the bigger picture in that flip flopping and asking for more referendums wont improve our position or make the EU like us any more than they currently do

no but wouldn't make it any worse

ref the vote in parliment

if a given MP was voted in on a Pro-Euro agenda at GE

how can they vote against the EU

would they have to stand down ?

 

[Gilly]

Let's be honest. If there's any money left, it's staying in London. The north and Wales will suffer.

Agreed, and that was always going to be the case. Look at the places asking about the extra money - Yorkshire, Cornwall, Wales... all received EU funding all voted out. London didn't vote out, and won't take the slack due to the choices of the rest of the UK. Feel bad for the areas that receive cash and voted to stay, especially Scotland.

Oh, and it's all the extremities, not the capital or Home Counties that look after themselves.

 

[TechMinerUK]

The Northern Powerhouse was literally moved to London by the Conservative government.

Hmm, so that's where the northern boundary is now *sigh*

no but wouldn't make it any worse
ref the vote in parliment
if a given MP was voted in on a Pro-Euro agenda at GE
how can they vote against the EU
would they have to stand down ?

Hmm, I never thought about it that way. That would be interesting but I surely it makes us look weak and indecisive as a nation thus lowering our reliability lower than it currently is

 

[Poneros]

It's funny seeing people say "what's done is done, let's move forward".

The only thing that's done is there's been a referendum, but until the UK is out, there's nothing to stop it from back-pedalling. And there's a good chance that it will happen once people feel the sting of the Brexit for real.

 

[TechMinerUK]

Agreed, and that was always going to be the case. Look at the places asking about the extra money - Yorkshire, Cornwall, Wales... all received EU funding all voted out. London didn't vote out, and won't take the slack due to the choices of the rest of the UK. Feel bad for the areas that receive cash and voted to stay, especially Scotland.

Leeds, York and Harrogate all voted in and are all in Yorkshire

 

[Jono8]

Interesting, assuming it's all accurate.

The problem is, if we do an about-turn now, the EU will forever hold us in contempt, so we're stuffed either way.

Could be not accurate at all.

Or it could well be that Cameron by resigning has said to the brexit tories.... "go on then, i dare you".

Part of me is concerned that Boris et al, didn't expect a leave win and were hoping remain would win but that it would be close enough for them to make a big point and try to negotiate with Brussels even more.

The fact that no one seems to have a clue what is going to happen or has any sort of plan hints at this.

 

[stewski]

Hmm, so that's where the northern boundary is now *sigh*


Hmm, I never thought about it that way. That would be interesting but I surely it makes us look weak and indecisive as a nation thus lowering our reliability lower than it currently is

I'd have rather had a clear brexit win than this scenario, that said the next general election will sure be interesting.

 

[TechMinerUK]

It's funny seeing people say "what's done is done, let's move forward".

The only thing that's done is there's been a referendum, but until the UK is out, there's nothing to stop it from back-pedalling. And there's a good chance that it will happen once people feel the sting of the Brexit for real.

That's not what I mean, I mean that the referendum is done and asking for a second is not a wise decision. Any other matters are still on course of moving forward

 

[Destination]

That comes with the new leader. However I think this will be the order of events:
New PM is voted in by parliament.
Then there is a general election.
After this they initiate article 50 presenting a comprehensive plan at the same time.
The negotiation begins.
The UK and EU quickly agree on a few things they have in common such as trade.
They then begin to work through the rest.
The UK ends up completely outside the EU or in some form of associated partnership which the Germans have already said the UK should become.

I think an associated partnership position is most likely and this will be focused on trade. The rest we will have to wait and see.

Why on earth would they have a general election and potentially lose power?
Assuming the cons get over their in fighting, there will be no election this side of 2020.
Be madness otherwise.

 

[Nate--IRL--]

It's funny seeing people say "what's done is done, let's move forward".

The only thing that's done is there's been a referendum, but until the UK is out, there's nothing to stop it from back-pedalling. And there's a good chance that it will happen once people feel the sting of the Brexit for real.

I dunno, I've heard rumours (can't find the damn link though) that the EU are simply going to assume Article 50 as invoked at the Summit next week.

Nate

 

[Buckster]

I'd have rather had a clear brexit win than this scenario, that said the next general election will sure be interesting.

I'd even vote for the Greens if they were the only Pro-EU party

thats how desperate I'd be

lol !

 

[datalol-jack]

Leeds, York and Harrogate all voted in and are all in Yorkshire

Wales was a bigger blow. Though the abandoned towns and city boundaries in the North gave Remain a good kicking, too, perhaps self-deafeningly so. Also Newcastle/Leeds being softer in than expected.

 

[TechMinerUK]

I'd have rather had a clear brexit win than this scenario, that said the next general election will sure be interesting.

Indeed, just hope that the next elected leader has the ability to steer through this period. A strong, competent and decisive leader is needed

 

[Caged]

Wow. So that makes Yorkshire and Cornwall thus far asking to cover the pitfall from any EU loss. Has anywhere else?

The guy leading the Brexit campaign in Wales has asked as well

 

[arctine]

That comes with the new leader. However I think this will be the order of events:
New PM is voted in by parliament.
Then there is a general election.
After this they initiate article 50 presenting a comprehensive plan at the same time.
The negotiation begins.
The UK and EU quickly agree on a few things they have in common such as trade.
They then begin to work through the rest.
The UK ends up completely outside the EU or in some form of associated partnership which the Germans have already said the UK should become.

I think an associated partnership position is most likely and this will be focused on trade. The rest we will have to wait and see.

If there is in fact a general election, what stops people voting for a party who promise to keep us in the EU?

 

[TechMinerUK]

Wales was a bigger blow. Though the abandoned towns and city boundaries in the North gave Remain a good kicking, too, perhaps self-deafeningly so.

Yeah, a bit of yellow surrounded by a sea of blue. Having said that as far as ideology goes we are a diverse but pragmatic bunch

 

[Buckster]

Indeed, just hope that the next elected leader has the ability to steer through this period. A strong, competent and decisive leader is needed

well considering BJ is the only real option for new PM

<unfortunate initials btw !)

do you think BJ can unite the country ? don't get me wrong I thought BJ was a superb major for London

can he unite the country though ?