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NickK · 28 Jul 2012 at 22:40

Running ML on an i7 2.2 with 16GB RAM + 500GB 7200rpm HD for a few days.

It's slow when it starts but speeds up over time. I would say it's a little more bloated as I've noted a larger regular footprint. I would say 8GB should be used - especially if you use VMs.

Parallels are charging £65 for Parallels 7 as earlier versions don't work and there's no option to upgrade as the app for P6 is unsupported by 10.8. So that 13.99 costs £78.89 in reality.

OhEsEcks · 28 Jul 2012 at 22:43

tombrr said:
How about after you have logged in? Like opening apps and hd movies etc?

No problems so far. Everything has been very quick. I'm actually very impressed with the speed. Nothing has beach balled / colour wheeled yet either. And I'm using a mechanical HDD.

I do have 8GB of RAM as mentioned though. But honestly I can't see that being a major problem unless you're trying to open a lot of stuff simultaneously.

tombrr · 28 Jul 2012 at 22:53

ok thanks for the answers, looks like i'll need to upgrade to 8gb ram then.

Wheres the best/cheapest place to go to get it?

I have just been looking at Crucial and they do a 8gb kit for £38. Is that good?

NickK · 28 Jul 2012 at 23:00

I've run with Crucial memory upgrades since 2008, never had an issue.

Just a warning - OcUK do upgrades too (including Crucial) so careful discussing competitor prices.

Logsi · 29 Jul 2012 at 01:03

Might find memory cheaper in the members market!

MagicBoy · 29 Jul 2012 at 01:11

V F said:
No idea how thats possible. Even when I had my Dell 2405 hooked up, the font rendering was exactly the same as an Apple display as it is right now and even the Tiger days when I first started using it.

v0n said:
Which of the two do think is a correct display of a font on a page designed specifically for mac community?:

This one.

With all due respect I've been using Macs for 7+ years and support them for a living. I'm using both my home Macs connected to a Dell IPS monitor and there's no difference between that and an Apple display. The font rendering you think is incorrect is the standard rendering from OS X 10.4 Tiger onwards. I can't comment on earlier versions.

EDIT : trawled through my old posts and found this link : http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/06/12.html from here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17767705

v0n · 29 Jul 2012 at 02:08

I honestly can't believe any of you would want to argue that the fat, fuzzy, runny text in the headline of the "Apple Considered Purchasing" headline is how any commercial OS developer, let alone one like Apple, that spends so much effort improving display resolutions and jaggedy edges for years, intended SMOOTH fonts to look like this. Especially when you can see OSX is perfectly capable of displaying good looking, crisp and easy to read smoothed fonts in example to the right

I find it hard to believe anyone would spend 7 years since 2005 browsing pages that look like a bad printout from Lexmark inkjet onto a toilet paper and think it's normal and not try to fix them. Why wouldn't you?

Left to right: What you say is font "smoothing" in OSX, what I say is font smoothing in OSX, what Windows believe is smoothing, what a page without font smoothing with CRT setting actually looks like

The "Smoothing" you consider normal would totally kill my workflow, I wouldn't survive a day if my terminal was all fluffy and unreadable like the one to the right:

uniQ · 29 Jul 2012 at 05:37

I agree with v0n text is (especially on this forum) noticeably bolder. I'll reinstall VM Ware later and boot into my Lion VM to compare on dual monitors.

uniQ · 29 Jul 2012 at 05:57

You can't really deny the difference in the following:

Lion:

ML:

Lion:

ML:

steveo · 29 Jul 2012 at 08:25

Feek said:
Why doesn't my own image show up in Messages? I have a picture attached to my contact card in address book and I get pictures for everyone else but my own one doesn't show.

open messages click on messages top left then change photo, wondered this last night

unless you sorted it out already

Skyboat · 29 Jul 2012 at 10:10

uniQ said:
You can't really deny the difference in the following:

Lion:

That is REALLY uncomfortable to read.

ML:

uniQ said:

Much better.

uniQ said:
Lion:

Your fontfaces look incorrect.

uniQ said:
ML:

Another taken on a Late 2006 iMac running Lion 10.7.4:

Just to compare a screenshot on my 4S:

(Yes I know the DPI is much higher. Maybe we can get someone with a rMBP to contribute to this thread?)

uniQ · 29 Jul 2012 at 10:28

Skyboat said:
That is REALLY uncomfortable to read.

I disagree, Lion is far more readable. Having bold text everywhere is a bit wtf.

Skyboat said:
Your fontfaces look incorrect.

The font's aren't incorrect, MR is serving different stylesheets for the byline. Possibly AB testing. Or maybe a cached version. But on my Lion VM they're serving Georgia in italic and on ML I'm getting Verdana.

v0n · 29 Jul 2012 at 10:32

Skyboat said:
That is REALLY uncomfortable to read.

Are you looking at it on a laptop with less than 1080 resolution out of curiosity?

Skyboat · 29 Jul 2012 at 11:05

v0n said:
Are you looking at it on a laptop with less than 1080 resolution out of curiosity?

I am. Reading this thread at the moment on my iPhone 4S and the top JPG is still a little too faint for my liking. The boldness, especially on these forums, helps the text stand out from the background and requires less focus to read.

Skyboat · 29 Jul 2012 at 11:07

No comment on my own screenshots? Okay then :rolleyes:

V F · 29 Jul 2012 at 11:20

Skyboat said:
Much better.

Why is the text bluey white though? the text should be pure white.

MagicBoy · 29 Jul 2012 at 11:26

v0n said:
I honestly can't believe any of you would want to argue that the fat, fuzzy, runny text in the headline of the "Apple Considered Purchasing" headline is how any commercial OS developer, let alone one like Apple, that spends so much effort improving display resolutions and jaggedy edges for years, intended SMOOTH fonts to look like this.

<snip>

You can paste screenshots till kingdom come and I'm not going to change my opinion. As much as I'm tempted to install every OS from 10.5-10.8 on my Mac mini just to post some proof that will keep the discussion going for another 24 hours, I've frankly got better things to be doing.

V F · 29 Jul 2012 at 11:36

MagicBoy said:
You can paste screenshots till kingdom come and I'm not going to change my opinion. As much as I'm tempted to install every OS from 10.5-10.8 on my Mac mini just to post some proof that will keep the discussion going for another 24 hours, I've frankly got better things to be doing.

I still reckon his colour profile is messed up. It's messing with the colours and possibly the rendering... or maybe not necessarily messed up, just doesn't work well with OS X.

When I had a dodgy icc on Windows, lots of weird and strange things happened it took me a fair bit of troubleshooting on the Firefox forums to get it sorted. It wasn't until others pointed out to me my colour profiles and eventually seeing it across several displays.

Once I bought a hardware calibrator, everything was cured.

uniQ · 29 Jul 2012 at 11:36

V F said:
Why is the text bluey white though? the text should be pure white.

It is pure white on my screen. Dell U2711, probably different calibration and/or colour profiles.

V F · 29 Jul 2012 at 11:38

I guess that just proves my point.

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