The official Philips BDM4065UC thread

hernaldo · 11 Dec 2014 at 02:00

smilertoo said:
You're gonna get tennis neck looking at that thing.

It's a 16:9 screen for a start, so compare it to a 30 inch Dell 16:10 and already that chops of a bit of the height, about 12-13% inch to inch.
The Bezel is more than half an inch in height less on the bottom.

Yeah it's not exactly short either but this isn't going to be like having your face stapled to a window.

spoffle · 11 Dec 2014 at 02:04

Having a 30" Dell at full height extension would make for a an overall similar height.

PCM2 · 11 Dec 2014 at 07:56

Seyumi said:
So you own the BenQ 32" 4K monitor as well and this Phillips 40" 4k? The Phillips is more glossy? How much? I'm on the quest to find a 32"+ 4k non-TN monitor that has the most gloss regardless of the size, response time, price ect.

The Philips has a haze value of <4%, whereas the BenQ (BL3201PT) has a haze value of 15%. So you could say it is over 3 times as glossy. The Philips is essentially as glossy as you can get whilst still having some form of matte treatment.

Baddass · 11 Dec 2014 at 08:14

i should be receiving one of these tomorrow for a review coming in the near future

ViRuS2k · 11 Dec 2014 at 08:26

i would have ordered one of these if i could have found one in the first place to order lol

PCM2 · 11 Dec 2014 at 09:30

Baddass said:
i should be receiving one of these tomorrow for a review coming in the near future

Looking forward to the review! I should have one shortly as well so people should be well-informed by the time this is widely available.

spoffle · 11 Dec 2014 at 09:32

I am looking forward to both of your reviews. Any ETA on when yours is supposed to arrive?

Smurfin · 11 Dec 2014 at 09:35

Seyumi said:
So you own the BenQ 32" 4K monitor as well and this Phillips 40" 4k? The Phillips is more glossy? How much? I'm on the quest to find a 32"+ 4k non-TN monitor that has the most gloss regardless of the size, response time, price ect.

The new Samsung 32" 4k is full matte. It looks like the Acer 32" 4k is a matte as well but need clarification. It seems like the BenQ 32" 4k is a semi-gloss as well as this 40" 4k Phillips. I think the only other monitor in this category on the horizon is the new 32" 4k Asus ProArt monitor but that appears to be a matte as well.

I've been using a glossy 27" Apple Cinema Display for like 5+ years and I can't stand matte but it looks like I'll need to sacrifice to semi-glossy if I ever want a 4K monitor anytime soon. If you can post more photos showing both of their glossyness/reflectiveness I would appreciate it. Thank you.

I had the 1440p BenQ, not the 4k one. I don't have the BenQ now so can't compare them side by side.

LLBDTiberio · 11 Dec 2014 at 11:25

Can't wait for the review either, dying to replace my 27" Hazro with this

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caff · 11 Dec 2014 at 11:28

Would you be able to use this as a TV too (i.e. HDMI input from a freeview/Sky box)?

Looking forward to the tftcentral review Baddass!

spoffle · 11 Dec 2014 at 11:32

caff said:
Would you be able to use this as a TV too (i.e. HDMI input from a freeview/Sky box)?

Looking forward to the tftcentral review Baddass!

Of course! You'll just be restricted to 1080P

Azrael1 · 11 Dec 2014 at 12:01

Mine gets here tommorow ! can't wait to try gaming on it ! Im a casual gamer though and don't really play FPS well only single player.

TheBigCheese · 11 Dec 2014 at 12:11

I've got to say I'm quite excited about the prospect of this, I've been looking at 4K for a while now for photo and video editing work (I currently have no way of viewing 4K footage).

All the prices I've been looking at are around £600-700 for a 27" screen so something is telling me there must be something off about this, it's too good to be true.

I've read the theories about the economies of scale and the amount of 40" 4K screens that are being pumped out so it brings the prices down, but are we really going to be looking at superb quality for £600?

There's bound to be something dodgy about it...has to be...

RPS posted a feature on it the other day and then mentioned as a late addition that there are reports that the pixels aren't square, to be honest I don't know what that means but it doesn't sound great.

[/negativenelly]

gazzamcg · 11 Dec 2014 at 12:24

Interested in this too for £600 it seems a bargain for a combined 4k monitor/TV.

I hope it's flicker free and the input lag is 20ms <

jigger · 11 Dec 2014 at 12:25

Before I go hunting for one of these, can anybody tell if they are still in stock with this mystery retailer?

UberTiger · 11 Dec 2014 at 12:28

I couldn't find it in stock anywhere. I had to contact an e-tailer and ask them to order it in for me. Cost was £630.

They said I should have it in 7 days.

Edit: Shame OcUK haven't got any yet, otherwise I'd have likely have ordered from here due to this thread.

spoffle · 11 Dec 2014 at 12:37

TheBigCheese said:
I've got to say I'm quite excited about the prospect of this, I've been looking at 4K for a while now for photo and video editing work (I currently have no way of viewing 4K footage).

All the prices I've been looking at are around £600-700 for a 27" screen so something is telling me there must be something off about this, it's too good to be true.

I've read the theories about the economies of scale and the amount of 40" 4K screens that are being pumped out so it brings the prices down, but are we really going to be looking at superb quality for £600?

There's bound to be something dodgy about it...has to be...

RPS posted a feature on it the other day and then mentioned as a late addition that there are reports that the pixels aren't square, to be honest I don't know what that means but it doesn't sound great.

[/negativenelly]

The pixels are roughly 1.8% wider than they are tall. So over the whole width of the monitor, there's a deviation of about 16mm.

It's such a small deviation that you won't have any issues from it. No one doing graphics professionally eyeballs dims that need to be accurate, so if you're working on something that needs to be a perfect square, you'll of course measure it to be a perfect square.

This isn't why its so competitive with pricing though, the reality is that we get rinsed when it comes to monitors. They are marked up considerably beyond their manufacturing costs. Simply because people are willing to buy at that price.

The reason things like UHD TVs are looking so low cost compared to 1080P when it first started being pushed, is because UHD alone isn't enough to get people buying, so they can't price gouge as much. They've got to give people more incentives to upgrade, and feeling like you've had a bargain is very persuasive.

Smurfin · 11 Dec 2014 at 12:54

^ this is spot on imho.

The Philips monitor obviously has TV roots, you just need to look at the stand to see that. After now working with my monitor for a week I can honestly say that the size isn't too big for a desktop, BUT you need it at desk level otherwise it really is too high.

People keep mentioning "what's the catch?" with this.

I can tell you:

VA cone effect (minor problem and pales into insignificance vs backlight bleed in many other "premium" monitors).

Input lag and motion handling. Input lag is there but nothing I haven't experienced before. This isn't a gaming panel, but unless you're used to 120hz+ will you notice any motion issues? I DO notice it a little, but this is probably because I'm viewing a big screen up close. It's acceptable, although if I were pumping 000s of hours into something like BF4, COD or counterstrike I wouldn't buy this monitor.

There's also grey trails when you scroll text, mainly obvious with large fonts but you can see it if you look at smaller text too.

OSD. Pretty crappy.

But look, this is £650 for a 40" (!) 4k panel, and it scales to lower resolutions well so even if 4k gaming doesn't always work well with your GPUs (Crysis 3 I'm looking at you), you can still enjoy a good gaming experience.

Oh and did I mention the screen real estate?

spoffle · 11 Dec 2014 at 13:02

There are always caveats. VA has cone effect, IPS has the glow issue, TN is utterly junk except for motion clarity.

TheBigCheese · 11 Dec 2014 at 13:16

Thank you both spoffle and Smurfin for those excellent and detailed replies!

Sounds like the pixel shape won't be an issue, it's photo and video editing I'm looking at, not CAD work (thankfully!).

That's a good argument about the pricing, it's true of course that larger TV sizes are much cheaper, I just didn't think they had the quality of a monitor screen.

Smurfin, can I just ask you a couple of things as you have one.

Do you know how accurate the colours are? I use a Dell 2709 at the moment which is 5 years old now so I imagine that even a budget panel these days it's probably on a par or better than 5 year old tech!

Do you get noticeable smearing when gaming? I've never really noticed lag that much, either that or I've adapted to it, I do game but not massively competitively, but it would be a pain if it's there.

Not so worried about the text issue as it's mostly static when looking at it.

I have my monitor on a varidesk at the moment so I can adjust from a sitting to standing position, that puts it 12cm off the desk surface at it's lowest extension...if I went for this I think I'd have to find a solution to that otherwise I'll soon get a crick in the neck!