The official Philips BDM4065UC thread

TheBigCheese said:
I just noticed it as I dragged a Window, I'm not trying to find obvious faults with the panel, it's probably me that has a setting wrong, so I was wondering what everyone else has set.
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Sorry, wasn't suggesting you were looking for problems, only saying that if it's something that I don't notice personally, am not going looking :)

But I will certainly be able to tell you what the likes of BF4 and Titanfall are like for me - as those I do play.

Little nervous about getting home and unpacking it. Having visions of something being horribly wrong.
 
Don't worry, I doubt you'll find anything drastic!

I did have a shock when I first switched it on, flicked the switch and...nothing! :eek:

Checked the connections...still nothing :eek::eek:

Changed the plug (checking I had the correct amp fuse), still nothing! :eek::eek::eek:

Thought it was dead on arrival.

Nope, I just had to press the joystick it seemed to get it going *facepalm*, so be aware of that! :D
 
Here we go, using the above settings:

Horizontal movement
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Vertical movement
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I double checked my settings and it was worse before as it had reverted to 30Hz, I think it must have been when I alt-tabbed out of a game. So it's better than it was but still not great, and this is definitely on 60Hz!

I've included the Musicbee box popup for scale, both images were taken from the same video at the same distance.
 
As I previously reported, mine does this too. I do notice it in normal use when working in word and scrolling down a long document, but that's really about it.
 
TheBigCheese said:
Here we go, using the above settings:

I double checked my settings and it was worse before as it had reverted to 30Hz, I think it must have been when I alt-tabbed out of a game. So it's better than it was but still not great, and this is definitely on 60Hz!

I've included the Musicbee box popup for scale, both images were taken from the same video at the same distance.
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You will be observing some extremely slow pixel transitions if you have 'SmartResponse' set to 'Off'. That disables the grey to grey acceleration of the monitor entirely - this is a VA panel so you're likely looking at an average pixel response time of 30ms+ which leads to the sort of smearing you're seeing. Bump the setting up to 'Fast' or 'Faster'.

You may still get some 'smearing' during certain transitions, that's a trade-off that exists on all VA panels. But it shouldn't be quite as extensive or obvious as with 'SmartResponse' disabled.
 
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PCM2 said:
You will be observing some extremely slow pixel transitions if you have 'SmartResponse' set to 'Off'. That disables the grey to grey acceleration of the monitor entirely - this is a VA panel so you're likely looking at an average pixel response time of 30ms+ which leads to the sort of smearing you're seeing. Bump the setting up to 'Fast' or 'Faster'.

You may still get some 'smearing' during certain transitions, that's a trade-off that exists on all VA panels. But it shouldn't be quite as extensive or obvious as with 'SmartResponse' disabled.
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yes i watched a film earlier i saw sort of ' smearing' you are talking about which never see it on my IPS monitors . i guess its a trade off with deep black of VA panel.
 
Well, so far no complaints. It's bloody immense! First person view in games is now almost life size :D

As for motion, maybe not quite as good as the 32 inch Samsung. Seems they were maybe just a little too aggressive on the smart response thing. Faster feels, well, faster, but does start introducing a little overshoot, so leave on fast.

No idea what pixel orbiting does, and can't tell if makes any difference.

Skyrim and bf4 certainly playable.

3840x1635 looks and plays good. Probably my go to gaming resolution.

Didn't notic any dead or stuck pixels, and not going to look any harder than I have.

Can't wait to get it on monitor arm, but that's going to have to wait til another night.

What is rs232?
 
what ever you guys do.

Leave pixel orbiting enabled.
its basically the monitors internal burn test to stop still images from burning the pixels into the monitor. as this pixel orbiting will shift the pixels and stop this happening.
 
ViRuS2k said:
what ever you guys do.

Leave pixel orbiting enabled.
its basically the monitors internal burn test to stop still images from burning the pixels into the monitor. as this pixel orbiting will shift the pixels and stop this happening.
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Good to know.

Was leaving it on as didn't seem to have any negative effect I could notice, but nice to know what it's for.

Think am going to like this screen. Picture is lovely, gamma shift not as bad as was expecting towards extremities, no bleed, no clouding I can see, fantastic blacks and contrast, no scaling needed, input lag seems lower than that of the Samsung 32 inch (could be placebo)

Motion could have course be better, but is about what was expecting.
 
PCM2 said:
You will be observing some extremely slow pixel transitions if you have 'SmartResponse' set to 'Off'. That disables the grey to grey acceleration of the monitor entirely - this is a VA panel so you're likely looking at an average pixel response time of 30ms+ which leads to the sort of smearing you're seeing. Bump the setting up to 'Fast' or 'Faster'.

You may still get some 'smearing' during certain transitions, that's a trade-off that exists on all VA panels. But it shouldn't be quite as extensive or obvious as with 'SmartResponse' disabled.
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From what I've found it's the opposite. SmartResponse seems to reduce input lag at the expense of ghosting. With the "Fastest" setting producing disgusting lag down to "Fast" which is noticeably worse than "off" but only slightly.
 
If that turns out to be the only thing that annoys me about the monitor I will consider myself lucky :D

Think I need to reinstall alien isolation just to see what looks like on this.

And evil within probably going to look lush.

It looks to be great for photo editing on, but I do still need to test a blurry or two, and see what the consoles look like hooked up to this.

At 40 inches, a movie is still going to display larger than the 34 inch ultra wides. Not bothered about black bars...

Oh, and as for the wide pixels, can't say I can notice at all to be honest.
 
hernaldo said:
From what I've found it's the opposite. SmartResponse seems to reduce input lag at the expense of ghosting. With the "Fastest" setting producing disgusting lag down to "Fast" which is noticeably worse than "off" but only slightly.
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I haven't used this monitor myself (yet) other than a brief demo at IFA. but in all of their other monitors it's a grey to grey acceleration control only. You increase inverse ghosting if you knock it up too high, but if the screen doesn't 'flash' when you change the setting it is doing nothing to intentionally affect the signal delay. Philips monitors don't usually have signal delay tied to this setting. Having said that, the grey to grey acceleration used on some VA panels can actually induce input lag. It's an unfortunate side-effect - the setting is a grey to grey acceleration control, but may also affect latency.
 
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I played with it a bit more myself. It does actually seem to introduce more ghosting, which is odd.

My tests weren't very scientific. Set the smart response settings and drag window.

Anything other than off actually introduced more ghosting, which seems to be counter to what this is supposed to do no?

With regards to responsiveness, it's actually hard to say one way or another if it actually makes any difference on that front.

See this has message pop up after power on warning that you shouldn't keep static image more than 30 min to avoid burn in... How the hell are you supposed to get that right with a monitor?
 
eyetrip said:
I played with it a bit more myself. It does actually seem to introduce more ghosting, which is odd.

My tests weren't very scientific. Set the smart response settings and drag window.

Anything other than off actually introduced more ghosting, which seems to be counter to what this is supposed to do no?

With regards to responsiveness, it's actually hard to say one way or another if it actually makes any difference on that front.

See this has message pop up after power on warning that you shouldn't keep static image more than 30 min to avoid burn in... How the hell are you supposed to get that right with a monitor?
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It sounds to me as if even 'Fast' is too aggressive. It would not be slowing down pixel responses, rather speeding them up. But by using voltage surges which are too 'extreme' and therefore introduce inverse ghosting as well. The problem is, all of the VA panels I've seen (aside from those made by AUO - used on many 24-32" models currently) don't respond well to being 'accelerated' in this way. So I don't necessarily think it's the fault of Philips but that the panel is natively rather slow and can't be effectively accelerated without negative consequences. TFT Central's testing should give a much greater insight into this.
 
Am not thinking of it as a problem.

The only va screen I can compare to is the Samsung 32 inch, but that did improve ghosting on fast and faster, but started introducing overshoot on fastest.

This screen seems to introduce more ghosting on just fast, and inverse ghosting on faster and fastest.

But that's just going by my eyes, so it'll take someone who knows how to measure these things more accurately to say for sure.

Is this the sort of things that can be controlled through firmware, or is it a hardware thing?

If the former, maybe will nag on Philips some time to have a look - only once got more details from likes of yourself.
 
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