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Very interesting, I have read some opinions that the new mixamp is not as good as the old one so maybe that's something to do with it.

I admit I play a lot of FPS games through mine and the sound is a million times better for me, but just recently going from stereo to Dolby Digital on my xbox one the sound is night and day better on Dolby Digital vs stereo.

I have tried it on my PS4 once also for Outlast and it sounded fantastic too, I take it you configured it all correctly on the PS4?

I can see why it's so good for FPS, the sound becomes a lot "sharper" almost like the treble gets a boost, footsteps are accentuated etc. That said, the waterfall I was right next too lost a lot of it's details, but with stereo on it gained it back.
It's set as per the manual, I think it was set to output Dolby Digital 5.1 and Audio Format Priority to Bitstream(Dolby). I think it's very much a one side of the fence or the other kind of thing.
Just to clarify, when I say stereo I mean turning off the virtual surround.
 
People using "virtual" surround sound on their console through headphones are most likely using **** headsets.

Doesn't matter if they cost £200 either, they will still be regarded as a pile of poo compared to a £150+ set of cans built purely for SQ.

The better the SQ of your headphones the easier it is to pick up on crappy signals, etc.

Much like a reference quality TV, the better TV you have the easier it is to notice crappy feeds, playing VHS on a ZT65B would look terrible, but play VHS on a £200 LCD and it would look a lot better is one example of this.

He's using a decent set of cans from beyerdynamic iirc, these will definitely show up a poor amp or a poor audio source, etc.

I did pretty much state all of this before he bought the mixamp.
 
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People using "virtual" surround sound on their console through headphones are most likely using **** headsets.

Doesn't matter if they cost £200 either, they will still be regarded as a pile of poo compared to a £150 set of cans built purely for SQ.

The better the SQ of your headphones the easier it is to pick up on crappy signals, etc.

Much like a reference quality TV, the better TV you have the easier it is to notice crappy feeds, playing VHS on a ZT65B would look terrible, but play VHS on a £200 LCD and it would look a lot better is one example of this.

He's using a decent set of cans from beyerdynamic iirc, these will definitely show up a poor amp or a poor audio source, etc.

I did pretty much state all of this before he bought the mixamp.

Switched to Fidelio X1 but yes, still a 'decent' set of cans (£60 more than the Beyer too :() You did state this yes but I had nothing to lose by trying :). It seems the only genuinely decent way to do this is with the Beyer Headzone but that is like £700.
I still think for £116 delivered it's very good value and I'm going to keep it as it does a decent job of amping the headphones and the sound is definitely improved over the controller output. Part of the reason I changed headphones was also because the Mixamp can easily power these 32 ohm headphones.
 
Switched to Fidelio X1 but yes, still a 'decent' set of cans (£60 more than the Beyer too :() You did state this yes but I had nothing to lose by trying :). It seems the only genuinely decent way to do this is with the Beyer Headzone but that is like £700.
I still think for £116 delivered it's very good value and I'm going to keep it as it does a decent job of amping the headphones and the sound is definitely improved over the controller output. Part of the reason I changed headphones was also because the Mixamp can easily power these 32 ohm headphones.


I am sort of a Sennheiser fanboy but Beyer, AKG and AT make some really awesome sets too. Not looked into Phillips much.

Problem is that they are a lot cheaper to buy over in America, so I won't be buying any more until I go over there for a holiday or wedding, sometimes they are like half the price, especially when you take exchange rates into the equation.


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"Gaming

The X1s are probably the best overall gaming headphone I've personally heard. I say this because they have the highest combination of "competitive" and "fun" abilities that I've heard in a single headphone.

During my first initial listening session with the X1, I could tell the signature coming from them would be great for gaming, and they didn't disappoint. The combination of a slightly fun-tilted signature with immersive bass, open soundstage, and clear imaging makes them almost specialized for gaming and movies. The X1s work really well with Dolby Headphone, projecting a large and coherent soundstage without any abnormal jumps between sounds - objects pan smoothly around the soundstage and there's a good amount of spaciousness to be heard, which is surprising considering the warmth of the X1.

Earlier I mentioned that the X1s mids sometimes sound more distant when compared to the Anniversaries, but when gaming I want to hear space and distance - and the X1's can do this a bit better than the Anniversaries while still keeping a weighty sound. The Anniversaries larger instruments and greater intimacy can sometimes throw you off on distance, occasionally making distant sounds seem a little bit closer than they do on the X1.

I prefer the X1s to the Anniversaries for fun and immersive gaming because they combine a more fun tilted signature along with a slightly roomier soundstage and slightly sharper imaging. All three of those things improve the immersion for me. With the Anniversaires, the full mids, natural timbre, refined sound, and larger sounding instruments all give it nice immersion as well. But things like refinement and timbre are bit less important for gaming than they are for music, and I think the soundstage whore in me caves a bit to the X1's roomier soundstage and immersive bass.

As far as competitive gaming goes, if the X1s lose any points it's not because of their soundstage or imaging. They are warm with a fun signature though, and the bass can be a problem at times - covering up subtle details in the mids (which are already more laid-back then the Anniversaries mids). Running the X1s through a bass reducing EQ would probably help some for competitive gaming. The Anniversaries are flatter and more balanced sounding, with more reserved bass and more obviously forward mids, which is an area where a lot of the competitive details lie. The X1 do gain more soundstage points over the Anniversaries for sounding a little more spacious with sharper imaging - the Anniversaries soundstage sounds a tad more crowded and diffuse. All in all, it's kind of impossible for headphones like the X1 to truly excel at competitive gaming, since the best headphones for that will always be the ones that focus on presenting just those fine details in the mids and highs (footsteps/reloading/etc.) while keeping the bass reserved and out of the way. Still, I think the X1s do a damn good job of pulling off the best competitive ability that they can while still managing the fun signature that they do, so I don't fault them for any shortcomings in that area.

Overall I would rate the X1s competitive ability somewhat similarly to the Anniversaries. When listening for positional cues and details with both of them, I hear a small soundstage/imaging advantage for the X1 but a signature advantage for the Anniversary. I feel the two differences almost counterbalance each other, but the ultimate deciding factor may come down to the bass. I won't quibble over the fine details though, as I usually reserve my competitive gaming for the Q701s. They still hold a small competitive advantage over both the Anniversary and X1 due to their faster, lighter, clearer signature coupled with their open soundstage. With my pair, I can also control their level of bass with a flick of a switch (literally). For immersive gaming, while the Q701's open airy soundstage does gives them their own brand of immersion, they are lacking in weight and body next to the Anniversaries and X1s which ultimately puts them at a disadvantage. Bass boosting them helps, but the mids will still lack some weight and body and they will still be on the dry side. In my opinion, the X1s hold an edge over both AKGs in terms of fun factor and immersion.

I should mention for people who already own the Anniversaries...do keep in mind that they're already one of the best overall gaming headphone options out there. While they now have some healthy competition in the X1, it's not like it's "on another level." It's just a little different flavor of sound. If the X1's sonic traits and signature described in this review sound appealing to you, then by all means check them out - but if you're going to stick with the Anniversary/Q701, they are also one of the best in this range.

Overall the X1s are my top recommendation for all-around gaming headphone. The Anniversaries are a very close second. You may want to choose accordingly though, based on whether you would prefer a fun tilt or a balanced tilt. The X1s are also a strong recommendation for movies and TV, which benefit from the same sonic traits that contribute to a more immersive gaming experience."

http://www.head-fi.org/t/670318/philips-fidelio-x1-review-comparison
 
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I imagine the SQ of those is terrible compared to a proper set of cans which is what he is using iirc.

quite possibly, but they fit the bill in terms of gaming for me (coming from some old Turtle beach X1's back in the day) If i played as much as i used to id sell the headphones and connect some PC-360's to the mixamp but i just cant justify it.
 
quite possibly, but they fit the bill in terms of gaming for me (coming from some old Turtle beach X1's back in the day) If i played as much as i used to id sell the headphones and connect some PC-360's to the mixamp but i just cant justify it.

you could get a really good setup for less than £40

Panasonic RP-HTF600E-S High End HiFi Headphone - Silver

http://www.head-fi.org/t/571005/the-panasonic-rp-htf600-s-headphones-more-fun-than-the-hd650


Those are £30 on amazon and are really really good headphones, in fact they are better than some £100 headphones out there.

They do need to be burned in though for like 100 hours (basically connect them up to an mp3 player playing a completely random playlists with a mix of dance, drum and bass, rap, electro, etc and leave the play list on repeat for 100 hours before you use them).

Then get this for £10 off amazon

Belkin Mic with Remote for iPhone



will it be as good as a £200 set of cans and a £50+ DAC/AMP no, but it should be a pretty awesome setup for £40.
 
Could you be any more dismissive?

Have you tried a set of Astro headsets?

there's f all wrong with them, i have a set of A50s and there amazing

every thread on head-fi people usually opt for a proper set of cans

http://www.head-fi.org/t/658715/audiophile-cans-for-gaming-music-and-movies/15

http://www.head-fi.org/t/622526/gaming-headphones


etc, etc, etc.

don't be butthurt that you own them. i'm advising other people that there are better cans out there for cheaper too.


a lot of people do use those mix amps though because they are cheap and have a mic input which DAC/AMPS don't.

but with the PS4 you don't need it if you run a easy to drive pair of headphones and just buy the belkin thing for £10.

otherwise you can get a mix amp. as for their headphones they aren't that great for SQ, especially for the price of them.
 
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so you keeping the mixamp or going to run a proper audiophile DAC/AMP?

Think I'm going to keep incase I do ever do MP gaming and need mic. That said, I think I'm going to get a "grown up's" DAC/AMP. One from an American company called Maveric audio really caught my eye. Actually, can I run with a MIC directly into the controller?
 
Think I'm going to keep incase I do ever do MP gaming and need mic. That said, I think I'm going to get a "grown up's" DAC/AMP. One from an American company called Maveric audio really caught my eye. Actually, can I run with a MIC directly into the controller?

i don't think you can run just a mic only off the controller

has to be a mic and headphones/earphones/earpiece, etc.

if you want to use a mic then you need the mix amp since your headphones won't drive well off the controller on their own.

you could run a fiio e6 or e11 with the belkin thing i linked above as a cheap setup but imo for the cans you have that would be an awful setup and poor SQ most likely.

if you want a mic them mix amp i'm afraid, otherwise if you don't want a mic then just get a decent DAC/AMP.


or you could always buy the setup i linked to above for £40 for the rare moments of online gaming and send the mix amp back and get the amp your looking at.

there's so many different ways of doing it so just look at what is best for you.
 
If you look at a stereo 3.5mm connector it has 2 coloured bands, a headset with a mic on the same cable has 3 bands, you need a mic with 3 bands on the connector or the pad will think the mic is a headset.

It doesn't have to be a heaset with a mic, you can just use a mic. The headset I just returned connected via my amp for audio and via the pad for chat, you just have to use a connector with 3 bands.

This is a stereo jack http://images.junostatic.com/full/IS394931-01-01-BIG.jpg
This is a stereo with mic, the one you need. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/3.5mm.jpg
 
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Think we need a headphone thread :)
Agreed - guys use one of these threads please:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18559166
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18571785

Id like to talk more about the options, but I know other wont. I know Im one of those people that derailed this thread with headphone talk but its annoyingly subjective...

If you look at a stereo 3.5mm connector it has 2 coloured bands, a headset with a mic on the same cable has 3 bands, you need a mic with 3 bands on the connector or the pad will think the mic is a headset.

It doesn't have to be a heaset with a mic, you can just use a mic. The headset I just returned connected via my amp for audio and via the pad for chat, you just have to use a connector with 3 bands.

This is a stereo jack http://images.junostatic.com/full/IS394931-01-01-BIG.jpg
This is a stereo with mic, the one you need. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/3.5mm.jpg
Then you have to worry if the TRRS connector is CTIA or OMTP - then it gets annoyingly confusing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)#TRRS_Standards

Think the DS4 is CTIA IIRC

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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