nice post, did you get that from jsut watching the film??? still the humans do not know any of the above information.. they just guess ...
The Official Prometheus (Alien Prequel) Thread
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nice post, did you get that from jsut watching the film??? still the humans do not know any of the above information.. they just guess ...
Soldato
I'm pretty sure he was offended by the sight of them, he looked at them as if 'yeah you kind of look like me, but you're tiny and insignificant' then when David starts speaking in the native tongue, he freaked out. If they had decided to leave earth be then he wouldn't have tried to take off In the ship to destroy humanity.
More likely is the case, like any civilisation, this was one section, the existence of humanity and the idea of such a creation was probably against their ideology, therefore this sect of the Engineers, probably didn't inform anybody else, and just tried to cover it up, hence why no attempts since to destroy us.
All speculation of course, but from what's been asked about in interviews years ago about the idea of what these engineers are, it was always that they were scientists, they terraformed, created life, and generally played god cross the universe, for a being to be created, that A) was by accident and B) possibly capable of their own levels of advancement is a threat to who they are, their standing in the universe and a threat to their existence I'd imagine.
Soldato
Pieced together from what's been talks about over the years on who the engineers are.
You don't get it from the film sadly, which sucks for the viewers who haven't read into it. It leaves a LOT of gaping holes in the film, that only people who have been a bit nerdy and scooped up the info can understand and try to fill in some of the gaps. In which their are still tons, for instance How ya go from mechanical eggs to the biological, which I gave a reasonble attempt to cover in a post earlier ha.
The weyland Yutani company is an easy filled solution, weyland corp just spent 3 trillion on a mission which produced no profitable results, they probably just put themselves into bankruptcy, Yutani corp offers to buy them out, but keep the Weyland name as it is an established brand. Easy.
Soldato
There is a reason the "head" that they carbon date turns out to be ~2000 years old... think about it. They were coming to earth in response to us nailing a certain person to the cross. Could it be that this certain person was a Engineer in disguise? In their haste to come to earth, one of them messed up, dropped an urn (or something) and the infection started.
Scott and Lindelof didn't want to spell it out completely, and I suspect Fox didn't want them to either because it would cause a **** storm in religious groups...
This is why Shaw is such a religious person and why there is a cross necklace featured so prominently in the film, more than once. Surely any sequel would connect these dots far more strongly.
Scott and Lindelof didn't want to spell it out completely, and I suspect Fox didn't want them to either because it would cause a **** storm in religious groups...
This is why Shaw is such a religious person and why there is a cross necklace featured so prominently in the film, more than once. Surely any sequel would connect these dots far more strongly.
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What? Are you on crack? How did you get to Jesus from what we've seen?
Soldato
This isn't as clear cut as you think. I know what you base it on - because we see DNA disintegration first (which btw, very easy to miss, second viewing triggered my memory that DNA indeed goes black first). But then as the title comes up we see it clearly DNA re-arranging itself, bits coming back together. If the intention was to show suicide and partial DNA surviving, rather than creation, I think we all can agree this failed miserably, because I think most of us understood it as intentional, maybe even rebelious act of creation rather than accident and by product of random act of destruction. The whole mythical Prometheus story chimes with it - brought fire to mortals and gods sentenced him to suffering.
The more times you watch this scene the more confusing it becomes. Scientifically it's complete hogwash anyway. Also, it might be my professional skew, but there are also continuity problems in that animation that shouldn't have gone past QC stage.
Which is why they kept popping in with educational visits to tell all ancient cultures where their bunker was? "One day" they would say to Mayas and Egiptians "We'll come back to eff you up, watch this cluster of satellites around star roughly 3 x 10 ^14 kilometers (12 of your cubits) away and phear!".
This isn't as obvious as you make it either. In fact, if anything, the goo is not life extinguishing. It's life giving. It can revive dead body and turn it into powerful, hard to kill entity with survival instinct if not straight forward logical (if a little aggressive and difficult to explain) agenda. It can create new life in a barren womb...
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Agree With you on the first points, as it is fairly open and has so many holes, but my theory fills as many gaps as possible, yours leaves open the bigger theory, of why on earth were they then going to extinguish us? This is certainly the case, it's not really up for debate, the engineer killed everyone but shaw on the ship because she legged it, he then set off to kill the rest of humanity, if he cared for us so much, he wouldn't have flipped out
As for the goo not being a Weapon, it is weapon, it weaponised the damn earth worms into the python style arm breakers.
Everything we know from years of interviews is that the senomorph base adapts to the environment it comes in contact with, it adapts to become the dominant species of said environment, take in the best features and enhancing to is destructive base.
Earth worms to pythons that have earth worm regenerative abilities
Face hugger to xenomorph that have humanoid stature, walks on its hinds more than all fours.
Xenomorphs to aquatic xenomorph, swims well.
Face hugger to dog style xenomorph very fast bipedal.
Fifield turns into a raving lunatic, strength and speed enhanced killing machine.
Every single iota of data we have on the xenomorph base 'goo' is that it combines with whatever it comes into contact with, inherits characteristics of the
base DNA then overcomes it, parasitic in nature.
It isn't good goo. It even adds to the idea that we are created from this destructive method, which when we evolve from that strand in The water, I means we on base level in some kind of way, are inherently destructive to our environments.
Soldato
I also 'got' that, and I read an interview with Lindelof where he hints strongly about it. But, look, once you get to Jesus it's only a small step to Hitler, so watch out.
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Which is why they kept popping in with educational visits to tell all ancient cultures where their bunker was? "One day" they would say to Mayas and Egiptians "We'll come back to eff you up, watch this cluster of satellites around star roughly 3 x 10 ^14 kilometers (12 of your cubits) away and phear!".
This isn't as obvious as you make it either. In fact, if anything, the goo is not life extinguishing. It's life giving. It can revive dead body and turn it into powerful, hard to kill entity with survival instinct if not straight forward logical (if a little aggressive and difficult to explain) agenda. It can create new life in a barren womb...
Well it makes sence that the engineers aren't all operating to the same agenda. They showed that with the humans, with the conflicts between the scientists who wanted to make first contact, and Weyland who just wanted to have a chat with them for his own personal gratification.
The engineer who created life was working for one group, say the engineer equivalent of green-peace....... who are opposed by the militaristic engineers who created the weapons facility.
The hippy engineers visited us a few times, but then stopped coming.... presumably stopped by the militaristic engineers. Perhaps they were the ones that caused the accident in the military facility, to prevent them from destroying what they created.
Sure, the goo creates life rather than destroying it...... but presumably there are different types. One goo starts off the evolutionary process to eventually create engineer type creates (us), whilst the other ends up with acid bleeding parasites.
INterview with RS that also mentions the god side of things and the planet at the start:
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232
Soldato
There is an interview with RS and DL where they state pretty much exactly what I just did...
Soldato
Certainly the case? Not up for debate? It's one thing to fill the gaps, but it's not ours to fill the story that wasn't told to us at all. The flip out scene, purely from script perspective is quite bizarre and makes very little sense.
Let's look at this time line. The Engineer is woken up and is surprised. Shaw starts interrupting everyone with her whinging - "ask him what's in his cargo" "it was meant for us" "what did we do wrong, why do you hate us". Standing in front of the Engineer she jumps to odd conclusions based on absolutely nothing.
- She doesn't know that Holloway was infected. In fact 5 minutes earlier she believed whatever killed Holloway was airborne.
- She doesn't know that the goo had anything to do with her getting pregnant with squid.
- She doesn't know about Milburn being killed specifically by goo mutant.
- She didn't witness Fifield getting turned into zombie and no one onboard knew he did so because of goo.
She suddenly presumes vases to be dangerous and the ONLY reason for it is because Janek told her half an hour earlier, while she was washing blood from cesarian in her room that he thinks "it isn't Engineers home, it's an installation, MAYBE even military". Janek told her that "Engineers put it out here because they're not stupid enough to make weapons of mass destruction on their own doorstep. That's what this es is in those vases. They made it here, it got out and turned on them. The end." With exception of that one conversation, as far as she's informed, there is absolutely NOTHING to suggest this is in fact weapon facility, let alone weapon specifically for earth.
Cut back to the Engineer awaking scene. She goes mental and starts interrupting, David then asks something, neither of them know whether he forwarded Shaws question or Waylands welcome words, Enginner pets his head then rips him to pieces. It isn't until guard starts shooting that he kills all human in the room. Shaw runs away. She doesn't see what Engineer does. She doesn't see what destination he sets his ship to. Heck - we don't even see that. And while running away she screams to Janek "Ship is taking off you can't let it leave, you have to stop it. There won't be any home to go back to. It's carrying death, it's heading for earth. Janek please believe me.".
The woman is on drugs! She doesn't know any of these things! She made it all up! On the spot! There is not a single hunch or suggestion any of her presumptions is true. She directly and indirectly kills ALL of the remaining survivors based on absolutely nothing solid. For all she knows, the Engineer is running away from whatever killed his mates 2 millennia ago. Maybe he's really hungry after 2000 years in cryo and is heading to whatever his equivalent of fly through McDonalds is. Janek made it all up. Shaw made the rest up. We have no clue what David said to Engineer and considering he was shot at, no clear understanding why he ripped David head off and why he wants to get the heck out of there in a hurry. The story is THAT badly written.
In comic book literature - the Prometheus story is literally an equivalent of alien visitors landing in the middle of Chernobyl, finding some green glowing goo that mutates them and kills them, and after meeting random Russkie patrol waving with AK47s and screaming "get the ef out of there numpties!" they jump to conclusions and nuke the entire planet from orbit.
- She doesn't know that Holloway was infected. In fact 5 minutes earlier she believed whatever killed Holloway was airborne.
- She doesn't know that the goo had anything to do with her getting pregnant with squid.
- She doesn't know about Milburn being killed specifically by goo mutant.
- She didn't witness Fifield getting turned into zombie and no one onboard knew he did so because of goo.
She suddenly presumes vases to be dangerous and the ONLY reason for it is because Janek told her half an hour earlier, while she was washing blood from cesarian in her room that he thinks "it isn't Engineers home, it's an installation, MAYBE even military". Janek told her that "Engineers put it out here because they're not stupid enough to make weapons of mass destruction on their own doorstep. That's what this es is in those vases. They made it here, it got out and turned on them. The end." With exception of that one conversation, as far as she's informed, there is absolutely NOTHING to suggest this is in fact weapon facility, let alone weapon specifically for earth.
Cut back to the Engineer awaking scene. She goes mental and starts interrupting, David then asks something, neither of them know whether he forwarded Shaws question or Waylands welcome words, Enginner pets his head then rips him to pieces. It isn't until guard starts shooting that he kills all human in the room. Shaw runs away. She doesn't see what Engineer does. She doesn't see what destination he sets his ship to. Heck - we don't even see that. And while running away she screams to Janek "Ship is taking off you can't let it leave, you have to stop it. There won't be any home to go back to. It's carrying death, it's heading for earth. Janek please believe me.".
The woman is on drugs! She doesn't know any of these things! She made it all up! On the spot! There is not a single hunch or suggestion any of her presumptions is true. She directly and indirectly kills ALL of the remaining survivors based on absolutely nothing solid. For all she knows, the Engineer is running away from whatever killed his mates 2 millennia ago. Maybe he's really hungry after 2000 years in cryo and is heading to whatever his equivalent of fly through McDonalds is. Janek made it all up. Shaw made the rest up. We have no clue what David said to Engineer and considering he was shot at, no clear understanding why he ripped David head off and why he wants to get the heck out of there in a hurry. The story is THAT badly written.
In comic book literature - the Prometheus story is literally an equivalent of alien visitors landing in the middle of Chernobyl, finding some green glowing goo that mutates them and kills them, and after meeting random Russkie patrol waving with AK47s and screaming "get the ef out of there numpties!" they jump to conclusions and nuke the entire planet from orbit.
Soldato
I still think the black flying saucer is not an Engineer's space craft. I think it is some other, higher power, race of beings.
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Didn't think he perhaps just wasn't a morning person?
Watched it earlier this afternoon, and thought it was pretty good overall.
Didn't think he perhaps just wasn't a morning person?
Watched it earlier this afternoon, and thought it was pretty good overall.
He didn't freak out tho. What he did was cold and calculated. First he put his hand tenderly on the David's head - almost fatherly.
Then, abruptly, he picks him up and...
There was an intent at this point from the film-makers to convey malice.
Saw this yesterday, and was disappointed. If I think of it as a prequel, then it's really poor. As a standalone film, it's still bad because so much of it doesn't make sense.
I do see it as a prequel of sorts but not a direct one - it establishes the Engineers and perhaps how the xenomorphs came about and that's it. I think some people were expecting a direct prequel leading straight to the events in Alien. I think that's what they wanted - a film based in the same universe, explaining some of the background but that's it. clearly not the same planet, or the same ship.
Way too many plot holes I thought.
This.
I do see it as a prequel of sorts but not a direct one - it establishes the Engineers and perhaps how the xenomorphs came about and that's it. I think some people were expecting a direct prequel leading straight to the events in Alien. I think that's what they wanted - a film based in the same universe, explaining some of the background but that's it. clearly not the same planet, or the same ship.
Way too many plot holes I thought.
This.
He doesn't wait until he's shot. He rips David's head off and uses it to knock Weyland down. That's pretty aggressive...
Also...
What were the Engineers running from, and why didn't the pilot look around for it once he woke up? After 2000 years sleeping, he might want to check the situation, and perhaps even wonder why the race who were at the Roman Empire age were now standing in front of him....
Why doesn't anyone realise that all vehicles are still there even though two of their colleagues are meant to have left a while ago?
Also...
What were the Engineers running from, and why didn't the pilot look around for it once he woke up? After 2000 years sleeping, he might want to check the situation, and perhaps even wonder why the race who were at the Roman Empire age were now standing in front of him....
Why doesn't anyone realise that all vehicles are still there even though two of their colleagues are meant to have left a while ago?