The Official Prometheus (Alien Prequel) Thread

Strife212 · 4 Jun 2012 at 17:06

Weyland Corp and Weyland-Yutani, are people really saying that's a change? Clearly Weyland Corp and Yutani Corp merge in the future.

The film was pretty good I thought, except the whole cesarean thing. Particularly the fact that there is no reaction to it and it's never mentioned again :confused:

neoglow said:
1. Where did the swimming snake alien thing that got into the guys suit come from? Massive plot hole, they didnt explain it.

2. The 'humanoid' dude at the very start, whats the relevance of drinking a cup of goo and then dying into the waterfall.....again, no explanation.

3. The big pile of dead humanoids found by the two guys that got left behind in the temple during the storm. How did they get there? Who killed them? Again, no explanation.

4. And just what was the black goo stuff they found, why was it there, who created it. Againnnnnnn, no flippin explanation.

Really? No wonder people didn't like the film if they missed the main point of the story.

The black stuff was a biological weapon the Engineers made to wipe out humanity. It escaped and killed them all before they could do it. Hence the last surviving one trying to finish off the job at the end.

v0n · 4 Jun 2012 at 17:31

Strife212 said:
Weyland Corp and Weyland-Yutani, are people really saying that's a change? Clearly Weyland Corp and Yutani Corp merge in the future.

No, the corp and logo was just served as example - there is not a single item I can think of, in the movie, that would require Geiger Alien franchise license. Everything in this "prequel" from corp, through logos, all way to the core biology, reproduction cycle and xenomorph itself - is like a knockoff version of Alien universe.

Castiel · 4 Jun 2012 at 17:54

Strife212 said:
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Really? No wonder people didn't like the film if they missed the main point of the story.

The black stuff was a biological weapon the Engineers made to wipe out humanity. It escaped and killed them all before they could do it. Hence the last surviving one trying to finish off the job at the end.

I disagree slightly......

The intro suggests that as part of the initial experimentation of a substance that creates or manipulates DNA...they tested the ability of the substance to break down or alter their own DNA...this failed and as the biological remnants mixed in the waters of, I suspect Earth, it mutated or did not break down sufficently (if you watch the journey of the body and the breakdown and rebuilding of the DNA strand in the intro, it implies this) ultimately creating Mankind..hence the replication of Human DNA from Alien (9ft human) DNA. Later they realise their actions and decide to rectify their mistake...similar to say Mankind creating a Hybrid DNA in a Wheat strain and then destroying it before it could contaminate anything else. Humanity effectively being an unintended and probable dangerous consequence of their Science experiment. It may also have been an intentional seeding of another Planet to see what happens....and subsequently the experiment had reached it's conclusion and the 9ft Human/Aliens decided it was time (2000 years prior) to end the experiment.....I suspect that the implication was intentionally ambiguous as to facilitate a sequel.....something Scott has intimated recently.

Guerrilla · 4 Jun 2012 at 17:59

Saw this last night, really enjoyed it was expecting it to be a bit more edge of the seat than it was.

Reading what some people have said i can understand some of the parts were a tad annoying that they happened and then everything was moved on a little quick.

I hope they release a directors cut, would like to see that as it'll hopefully flesh it out nicely. I found the Alien films tend to work better as the directors cuts, so this'll hopefully be the same.

Strife212 · 4 Jun 2012 at 18:30

Castiel said:
I disagree slightly......

Where? That's pretty much as I said, with added explanation at the start

Castiel · 4 Jun 2012 at 18:33

Strife212 said:
Where? That's pretty much as I said, with added explanation at the start

I don't agree that the weapon or initial intent part.

CaptainRAVE · 4 Jun 2012 at 18:34

Just saw it. Loved the 3D and the visuals. It was an interesting story and vague prequel to aliens, but it just fell a little flat for me. Still enjoyed it though.

Strife212 · 4 Jun 2012 at 18:53

Ah I see, well either way they definitely were going back to kill off the humans.

FoxEye · 4 Jun 2012 at 20:03

Castiel said:
I disagree slightly......

The intro suggests that as part of the initial experimentation of a substance that creates or manipulates DNA...they tested the ability of the substance to break down or alter their own DNA...this failed and as the biological remnants mixed in the waters of, I suspect Earth, it mutated or did not break down sufficently (if you watch the journey of the body and the breakdown and rebuilding of the DNA strand in the intro, it implies this) ultimately creating Mankind..hence the replication of Human DNA from Alien (9ft human) DNA. Later they realise their actions and decide to rectify their mistake...similar to say Mankind creating a Hybrid DNA in a Wheat strain and then destroying it before it could contaminate anything else. Humanity effectively being an unintended and probable dangerous consequence of their Science experiment. It may also have been an intentional seeding of another Planet to see what happens....and subsequently the experiment had reached it's conclusion and the 9ft Human/Aliens decided it was time (2000 years prior) to end the experiment.....I suspect that the implication was intentionally ambiguous as to facilitate a sequel.....something Scott has intimated recently.

What also doesn't make sense is that the Engineers did nothing in the 2000 years from their facility failing to the time when humans discovered the site.

That's 2000 years for them to either come up with Plan B or to at least rescue the survivors of the site or nuke it from orbit

Or, something, anything!

Instead the facility just sits there for 2000 years whilst, presumably, no one back at Engineer HQ can be bothered to do anything about it.

CaptainRAVE · 4 Jun 2012 at 20:04

Perhaps it got back to their home planet or something? Does seem like a giant plot hole.

Shamikebab · 4 Jun 2012 at 20:13

Well I thought it was brilliant.

SixTwoSix · 4 Jun 2012 at 20:14

FoxEye said:
What also doesn't make sense is that the Engineers did nothing in the 2000 years from their facility failing to the time when humans discovered the site.

That's 2000 years for them to either come up with Plan B or to at least rescue the survivors of the site or nuke it from orbit Or, something, anything!

Instead the facility just sits there for 2000 years whilst, presumably, no one back at Engineer HQ can be bothered to do anything about it.

Perhaps they've been in cryo for that long, maybe the cryo was a last ditch attempt to outlive the plague/infection?!?

FoxEye · 4 Jun 2012 at 20:17

SixTwoSix said:
Perhaps they've been in cryo for that long, maybe the cryo was a last ditch attempt to outlive the plague/infection?!?

You're missing the point. There are other worlds with Engineers.

SixTwoSix · 4 Jun 2012 at 20:21

FoxEye said:
You're missing the point. There are other worlds with Engineers.

We only know what David said, that there is an Engineer homeworld and other installations on LV223, we don't know for sure that there are other engineer worlds, although it would be common sense.

Also who's to say these guys aren't a rogue military extremist faction bent on an engineer jihad

Anyway, this should be in the spoiler thread, not here!

hola_adios · 4 Jun 2012 at 20:22

FoxEye said:
You're missing the point. There are other worlds with Engineers.

And the engineers would leave them there for 2k years ... honestly, this film is just one massive mess.

n111ck · 4 Jun 2012 at 22:06

v0n said:
No, the corp and logo was just served as example - there is not a single item I can think of, in the movie, that would require Geiger Alien franchise license. Everything in this "prequel" from corp, through logos, all way to the core biology, reproduction cycle and xenomorph itself - is like a knockoff version of Alien universe.

What about the space jockey and ship?

v0n · 4 Jun 2012 at 23:02

n111ck said:
What about the space jockey and ship?

Both of which I think (I'd be happy to be corrected) actually belong to Geiger and aren't part of the studio franchise. However, actually,if you compare images from Alien and Prometheus, interior and Jockeys seat is different enough, and as others pointed out - Prometheus Engineers are ever so slightly different and much smaller than dead Space Jockey from Alien.

n111ck · 5 Jun 2012 at 00:34

The one in Alien is a fossil though and the design differences are merely to allow it to move?

If the conspiracy is that Fox wouldn't allow the designs to be used then that would be pretty stupid as what is going to make more money - a Ridley directed true prequel or generic AVP rubbish?

atpbx · 5 Jun 2012 at 09:08

FoxEye said:
What also doesn't make sense is that the Engineers did nothing in the 2000 years from their facility failing to the time when humans discovered the site.

That's 2000 years for them to either come up with Plan B or to at least rescue the survivors of the site or nuke it from orbit Or, something, anything!

Instead the facility just sits there for 2000 years whilst, presumably, no one back at Engineer HQ can be bothered to do anything about it.

Why are you so sure that any of them have survived?

They could all be dead apart from the matey they find, with the same mistake replicated on their home world.
You've still got to get a contaminated crew member to pilot and crash a ship into LV426.

You've picked up one idea, and ran with it to the exclusion of all other entirely reasonable possible outcomes.

You dont know why the ships are there, you dont know what their motives are, yet.

FoxEye · 5 Jun 2012 at 12:10

atpbx said:
Why are you so sure that any of them have survived?

They could all be dead apart from the matey they find, with the same mistake replicated on their home world.
You've still got to get a contaminated crew member to pilot and crash a ship into LV426.

You've picked up one idea, and ran with it to the exclusion of all other entirely reasonable possible outcomes.

You dont know why the ships are there, you dont know what their motives are, yet.

Hold on to that thought. If and when we get a sequel, if there are other, live Engineers (capable of space flight), then you're going to have to work hard to answer the question of why they just left them on LV 233 (for two thousand years).

Also, why would they be doing these experiments on their home world, or any other civilian world? They purpose-built the facilities on LV 233 away from their home planet, because they recognised the danger. If you're then going to suggest that they performed the same experiments on their home planet, and thus wipe themselves out, then again you have created a logical inconsistency.