**** The Official Samsung Galaxy S20 Family Thread ****

[mrk]

Ok.. but saying the s20 is the first android phone with haptic feedback? Totally get you’re a massive Samsung fanboy but that’s a bit of a strange leap to make!

I suggest better reading skills....

I never said the S20 is the first Android with haptic feedback, every Android has it. I said it is the first to have high quality haptics like (or better) than an iPhone going by trusted reviewers and people who have handled the S20 so far.

Also at no point in ever have I said anything to give the impression I am a Samsung fanboy, my phone history might have more Samsungs in there but I've also had Xiaomi, HTC, Sony, Nokia and even the cheaper Chinese phones for a mix of business and personal use. I buy whatever brand has the best features for my uses and in recent years that has been with Samsung, although I'll only upgrade if the features offer a generation jump for the stuff I use most.

 

[mrk]

It is glass but on top of it is the plastic bendy layer that stops the glass from breaking when the thing is folded and unfortunately that's what is showing marks.

Samsung are running with the marketing on this and calling it glass without mentioning the plastic layer on top much like how monitor and TV makers call their LED backlit TVs "LED" with no mention of said LED being the backlight only.

 

[mrk]

Correct, but it's better than the Razr and we won't see a flip phone with 100% glass for a long while yet due to actual physics.

 

[mrk]

Here's the quote you mention lol

There isn't a single Android phone with haptics as nice as an iPhone until now...

 

[mrk]

Dear gawd! Read your bloomin post you nutter

"So this makes the S20 the first Android in all history to have actual haptic feedback."

It's pretty clear the context intended given the rest of the post (s) was in relation to proper haptic feedback not just a motor vibrating as has been the case for years on Android. So yeah it could be called actual haptic feedback as that's what it is.

I think the LG G7 may have had early-ish versions of this too to be fair.

 

[mrk]

Probably gen 1 stuffs. It's happened before where a maker has a deadline to meet for release so they make do with what they have engineered as these things are initially drawn up long ago in the design stages and as the tech matures it's always gen 2 that fixes the early faults.

 

[mrk]

Why would they need to? They aren't videos or games they are part of the UX which runs at whatever is set as the system refresh rate. Is there any info showing otherwise?

 

[mrk]

The Flip doesn't even have a glass layer. Someone did tests and found you could punch straight through the plastic and damage the OLED panel, which you couldn't do through a glass layer. Samsung are just straight up lying.

It does have a glass layer, it's so thin though but it does contain glass.

The flecks of glass after he peels off the plastic layer and runs the tool along the surface...

 

[mrk]

 

[mrk]

Should have it on all models as video recording is no different across the range. It's likely OIS though as the S20 has revised OIS I heard. Means no more cropped video FOV as with EIS/Super Steady.

 

[mrk]

A question i have not seen asked or seen an answer for" did they upgrade the audio" ie the dac ? does anyone know this.

The DAC wasn't bad to begin with anyway, what issue did you have previously? It's no LG quad DAC but the S10 (example) is more than powerful enough to drive my Sennheiser HD650 comfortably for sure. Not that it matters a huge deal for the S20 since there is no headphone jack and the USB-C headphones currently available are not really geared towards enthusiast audio peeps. Those that are will likely be using Type-C DAC matchboxes anyway?

 

[mrk]

I'd personally expect it to be just as good but remember, no headphone jack... So you're limited to the output potential if you're using a USB-C to 3.5mm adapter.

 

[mrk]

Ah in that case you will have the exact same sound. The Buds+ are better so once you get those the sound will be better still. It's the BT IEMs that are doing the bulk of the processing of audio.

 

[mrk]

The Exynos S20 is a bit of a joke compared to the SD version. The fact that Samsung must have known this yet still decided to charge the same money for both versions is disgraceful. Either release SD in the EU market as well as Exynos and let people decide, or sack off Exynos altogether. We already knew Exynos wasn't doing great from last year's S10, and the trend has continued to the S20 unsurprisingly.

I'm glad I saved £150+ buying the SD S10e back last year. I will certainly do the same this year or next when the next upgrade is due.

 

[mrk]

Telephoto lenses don't have a close focus distance in general unless they are dedicated macro lenses. This all seems fairly normal optical behaviour.

 

[mrk]

The pixel IMO straight up proves that what really matters is the image processing. So basically, @mrk, how much better is gcam on the snapdragon variants of Samsung phones?

Gcam good but the highlight detail is more natural on Samsung camera's HDR. I have HDR+ Enhanced turned on with 15 frames captured and even still Samsung cam grabs more natural looking highlights in stuff at night like spotlights and stuff. Maybe it works better on a Pixel for obvious reasons but I use Samsung cam the most.

 

[mrk]

I always leave HDR mode set to On instead of auto, and in really low light shots I use night shot. The results are great. Also keep in mind both ultra wide and telephoto lenses have inferior sensors to the primary shooter so always use primary when shooting low light.

Here's a low light example to show what I mean. Both shots taken with a tap to meter reading off the display on the amp to bypass any auto metering. Gcam set with HDR+ Enhanced (15 frames), Samsung cam set to HDR: On.

Gcam:

Scam:

Notice retention of highlight detail on the monitor on Scam The Gcam one is slightly grainier but retains more detail as a result, the Scam one uses slightly more noise reduction so is slightly softer but not too much in it really. Samsung cam also pulls out a bit more shadow detail.

 

[mrk]

Yes but it's nowhere near as good as with Samsung cam or any other OEM cam app. Google Pixels have never been known for their video recording abilities and that doesn't change with even the Pixel 5.

 

[mrk]

So ended up ordering an S20 5G 128GB (4G not in stock) - Comes with the free AKG Y-500 headphones which will be going straight on the marketplace. My SD855 S10e will probably go on Gumtree. Reason for the sudden change is I'm just a bit fed up of hearing of the Android 11 beta, updates taking a couple months on the HK variant and generally wanting a new phone itch. It's lasted me since launch so the S20 should easily last 2 years.

Plus I should be able to claw at least a couple hundred from the S10e anyway so this is all good I'd say.

Looking forward to trying out OneUI 3.0 as well, and maybe even switching back to Samsung Pay as that doesn't work in the UK for non UK Samsung phones

 

[mrk]

Updated to Android 11 earlier and so far all real nice. I am using 120Hz on FHD which is just fine and have to say scrolling is really slick, never thought I'd find much difference as had no issues with 60Hz but it really is noticeable.

Like that it's only a half cm taller than the S10e whilst being under 1mm narrower. The 900mAh bigger battery should yield good results for my usage. S10e got be 20+ hours from a charge.