*** The OS X Lion Thread ***
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Was going to upgrade for the ability to merge folders but after what I have read I'm not sure that I will.
ignore the drama queens seriously.
Just take a look at the Mac app store rating for an accurate representation.
This, I've found the OS to be very stable so far (I remember the 10.5.0 release), I enjoy the new features and have found that all my apps work.
A few of the new features are big changes and naturally some people may not like them. This is the internet remember; bad things get shouted about the loudest. I would recommend Lion to you. It's £21 and it's a great upgrade.
It's definitely faster. That much is certain. But I feel the GUI feels fractured. Je ne sais quoi. There's a lot of great graphical improvements but the unification that I felt with Snow Leopard feels broken. Which wasn't a problem when I initially made the major switch from Windows/Linux to Apple. There's also nothing provided by the update that I need. So I've rolled back. Meh.
I'm kinda worried my install screwed up.
The .dmg file was corrupt when trying to burn the file but installed fine from the lion install splash screen that pops up once downloaded. Just downloaded onto another computer and it's fine?
Should i worry?
May check console to see if there is any errors. No crashes or hangs yet though.
The .dmg file was corrupt when trying to burn the file but installed fine from the lion install splash screen that pops up once downloaded. Just downloaded onto another computer and it's fine?
Should i worry?
May check console to see if there is any errors. No crashes or hangs yet though.
Lion will never be Apple's Vista, the main reason is the price! If they were to charge £100s for the OS then maybe, but not when it only cost £20.99!
People might be expecting a massive jump in OS's from apple, but at only £20-25 I think they are going down the small and quick updates so the big updates will come every 2 or 3 "expansions"...
Looking back at the last couple:
Leopard had its flaws
Snow leopard was amazing
Lion has its flaws (this seems to be down to individual users though)
"Mountain Lion" or what ever it may be called should be another "snow leopard"
Hope it makes sense
People might be expecting a massive jump in OS's from apple, but at only £20-25 I think they are going down the small and quick updates so the big updates will come every 2 or 3 "expansions"...
Looking back at the last couple:
Leopard had its flaws
Snow leopard was amazing
Lion has its flaws (this seems to be down to individual users though)
"Mountain Lion" or what ever it may be called should be another "snow leopard"
Hope it makes sense
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About time OSX finally caught up with Windows 95 by having fullscreen mode for apps... Although you still cant have fullscreen on more than a single monitor, the secondary monitor will just display grey, also making it completely unusable. And you cant even make an app fullscreen on the second monitor at all, it switches the app to the first monitor.
Not impressed with Lion, the OS is still not usable to me.
At this rate Apple will catch up with the decade old Win XP within a couple or years.
What next, multi GPU support so SLI/Crossfire can work?
Blu-ray support?
Maybe an up to date version of OpenGL that atleast has some of the features of DirectX 11?
Hardware and peripheral support that remotely compares to Win 7?
OR.. possibly even USB 3.0 support?
Not impressed with Lion, the OS is still not usable to me.
At this rate Apple will catch up with the decade old Win XP within a couple or years.
What next, multi GPU support so SLI/Crossfire can work?
Blu-ray support?
Maybe an up to date version of OpenGL that atleast has some of the features of DirectX 11?
Hardware and peripheral support that remotely compares to Win 7?
OR.. possibly even USB 3.0 support?
Cheers. I was just planning to do a time machine backup and then do a clean install of Lion (using USB or DVD). Might do time machine restore during install (presumably that is still an option?) or just selectively drag back files from Time machine after OS install.
I only have a 128GB disk so am concerned an in place upgrade may waste more space than the clean install.
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I agree...
The only annoying thing is that Steve Jobs hypes it up to be a completely new overhaul of the system as if it was an entirely new OS
What next, multi GPU support so SLI/Crossfire can work?
Blu-ray support?
Maybe an up to date version of OpenGL that atleast has some of the features of DirectX 11?
Hardware and peripheral support that remotely compares to Win 7?
OR.. possibly even USB 3.0 support?
You're comparing oranges to ahem...apples. I'm sure your hardcore gaming desktop PC is more than sufficient for your 'needs'.
It'll never receive another 10.6.X increment release again but it will get security updates.
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This is the first OS X upgrade that i just couldn't be fussed to do a clean zero out install...so far so good!
Comparing one OS to another is a very fair comparison. All major OS's apart from OSX have these basic features i mentioned or alternatives.
I dont even game much, my setup is for work, but for either serious work or gaming OSX is still not an option. Theres simply too many things it cannot do that any modern full blown OS should be capable of.
To be fair...
... Mac Pros are the only Mac product capable of supporting multiple GPUs and they are used as work stations. Not gaming machines. Which is why Quadro cards where the upgrade option up until 2009 and now most run of the mill graphics cards are powerful enough for the work needed.
... Why would Apple include Blu-Ray when they're primarily in the business of digital distribution and people are moving to digital distribution and renting (Netflix, Hulu+, et cetera)? They're even removing optical drives from the MBA and Mac Mini.
... this is another argument altogether about whether or not it's better to use APIs or program the hardware directly. Which is something I saw recently to do with an AMD comment saying that developers want to program directly to metal.
... hardware and peripheral support has less to do with Apple and more to do with hardware and peripheral manufacturers not writing device drivers for Apple. Whether that's due to licensing or they simply can't be bothered because they already make bank on Windows, who knows. It's the same scenario as to why ndiswrapper still exists and is useful with Linux.
... why would they support USB3 when they've got Thunderbolt?
What next, multi GPU support so SLI/Crossfire can work?
Blu-ray support?
Maybe an up to date version of OpenGL that atleast has some of the features of DirectX 11?
Hardware and peripheral support that remotely compares to Win 7?
OR.. possibly even USB 3.0 support?
... Mac Pros are the only Mac product capable of supporting multiple GPUs and they are used as work stations. Not gaming machines. Which is why Quadro cards where the upgrade option up until 2009 and now most run of the mill graphics cards are powerful enough for the work needed.
... Why would Apple include Blu-Ray when they're primarily in the business of digital distribution and people are moving to digital distribution and renting (Netflix, Hulu+, et cetera)? They're even removing optical drives from the MBA and Mac Mini.
... this is another argument altogether about whether or not it's better to use APIs or program the hardware directly. Which is something I saw recently to do with an AMD comment saying that developers want to program directly to metal.
... hardware and peripheral support has less to do with Apple and more to do with hardware and peripheral manufacturers not writing device drivers for Apple. Whether that's due to licensing or they simply can't be bothered because they already make bank on Windows, who knows. It's the same scenario as to why ndiswrapper still exists and is useful with Linux.
... why would they support USB3 when they've got Thunderbolt?
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I can't install windows/bootcamp
I installed Lion clean from the disk image i created from the download.
OSX Disk utility tells me i have only 2 partitions once i have used bootcamp to split the disk, however windows install tells me i have 4 partitions.
When trying to install windows it says it cannot be installed on a GPT disk. I suspect this is due to the recovery partitions that (must be?) hidden in OSX?
Any help would be appreciated. Google doesn't throw up any results yet
I installed Lion clean from the disk image i created from the download.
OSX Disk utility tells me i have only 2 partitions once i have used bootcamp to split the disk, however windows install tells me i have 4 partitions.
When trying to install windows it says it cannot be installed on a GPT disk. I suspect this is due to the recovery partitions that (must be?) hidden in OSX?
Any help would be appreciated. Google doesn't throw up any results yet
Downloaded it, stuck the dmg file on to a DVD and did clean installs on my MacBook Pro and iMac and everything seems to be ok. Having my Apps on the Mac App Store certainly made it much quicker to reinstall everything!
Couple of things I noticed:
1) Initially I did an upgrade on my MacBook Pro and afterwards hilariously Launchpad was missing and wouldn't work, turns out there is an issue with Windows Home Server 2011 as the Mac Client is also called... launchpad! So it just sticks the WHS icon in place and breaks the OSX feature. Did a clean install and that was ok, will have to see if MS fix that.
2) Had a few issues with downloading Chrome in Safari, kept going to the EULA page then just sitting there saying it was downloading but nothing did. In the end had to get FireFox first then go to Chrome.
3) The default built in swipe gestures seem to break both FireFox and Chromes back/forward gestures, had to fiddle to fix that.
4) Clean install on my iMac took AGES, literally 3hours, not sure why, didn't seem to be accessing the DVD or the internet.
5) Mission Control seems ok, but little annoying that it groups windows together and the icons sit on top obscuring stuff, mentally it takes longer to find what I'm looking for than it did in Expose
6) Very little chance to try it as it was 1am before I got finished but SMB seemed a bit faster than it did in SL, hopefully more reliable... please be more reliable!
Couple of things I noticed:
1) Initially I did an upgrade on my MacBook Pro and afterwards hilariously Launchpad was missing and wouldn't work, turns out there is an issue with Windows Home Server 2011 as the Mac Client is also called... launchpad! So it just sticks the WHS icon in place and breaks the OSX feature. Did a clean install and that was ok, will have to see if MS fix that.
2) Had a few issues with downloading Chrome in Safari, kept going to the EULA page then just sitting there saying it was downloading but nothing did. In the end had to get FireFox first then go to Chrome.
3) The default built in swipe gestures seem to break both FireFox and Chromes back/forward gestures, had to fiddle to fix that.
4) Clean install on my iMac took AGES, literally 3hours, not sure why, didn't seem to be accessing the DVD or the internet.
5) Mission Control seems ok, but little annoying that it groups windows together and the icons sit on top obscuring stuff, mentally it takes longer to find what I'm looking for than it did in Expose
6) Very little chance to try it as it was 1am before I got finished but SMB seemed a bit faster than it did in SL, hopefully more reliable... please be more reliable!