The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread

V F · 23 Jun 2012 at 18:18

It's really taken it's toll on Coisty hasn't it... he nearly looks like a club bouncer now.

Feb 2011

semi-pro waster · 23 Jun 2012 at 18:41

afraser2k said:
Just confirmed on BBC Twitter that Aluko is the second player to reject a transfer to newco, McCoist asks the players not to use the transfer of contracts as an excuse to leave.

My understanding of TUPE is that the players would be entitled to their current terms and conditions on the transfer to the new entity - if those terms and conditions cannot be met (e.g. either through wages or potentially in not being in the division you thought you were signing into) then presumably they must be free to walk away. I'd say that was a perfectly reasonable excuse for leaving whatever Mr McCoist believes.

Jokester · 23 Jun 2012 at 18:49

TUPE allows them to walk away regardless.

pingwing · 23 Jun 2012 at 19:30

Jokester said:
TUPE allows them to walk away regardless.

Thought that was the case. Seems a bit silly Green is insisting it's not the case...

placeholder · 23 Jun 2012 at 20:52

semi-pro waster said:
My understanding of TUPE is that the players would be entitled to their current terms and conditions on the transfer to the new entity - if those terms and conditions cannot be met (e.g. either through wages or potentially in not being in the division you thought you were signing into) then presumably they must be free to walk away. I'd say that was a perfectly reasonable excuse for leaving whatever Mr McCoist believes.

AFAIK it protects their job but they can leave. For most people in most industries that would be seen as a safeguard i.e you can't be given a pay cut and your job is safe but for footballers i guess it has the opposite effect and allows them to become free transfers which rather than being unemployed (as ordinary folk would be) could be more to their advantage.

Mr Green clearly hasn't a clue. If he can't grasp this simple concept it should be setting alarm bells ringing.

doopydug · 24 Jun 2012 at 07:37

I have said from the get-go that this Green character can't be trusted. More trouble to come for Rangers I fear.

doopydug · 24 Jun 2012 at 07:38

God - what a difference in such a short time.

I know he will get a job anywhere, either as a manager or on TV, so money isn't a problem - this is the face of a man who loves his club and fears for it's very existence.

V F said:
It's really taken it's toll on Coisty hasn't it... he nearly looks like a club bouncer now.

Feb 2011

afraser2k · 24 Jun 2012 at 10:05

Various reports over the weekend saying up to 14 players leaving between being out of contract and TUPE. :eek:

Daily Record is claiming deal has already been verbally agreed though needs support of the SFL clubs. Looks like it's not just Thistle fans annoyed at the 1st division proposal though. Sounds more like the SPL want to make the claim it was the SFL's fault if Rangers are put into the 3rd division.

placeholder · 24 Jun 2012 at 12:59

Naismith and Whittaker DO do walking away.

pingwing · 24 Jun 2012 at 13:26

placeholder said:
Naismith and Whittaker DO do walking away.

Heard that this morning. Would be fairy safe to assume they were going to leave regardless of the financial situation of the club, career furthering and such like

placeholder · 24 Jun 2012 at 13:48

pingwing said:
Heard that this morning. Would be fairy safe to assume they were going to leave regardless of the financial situation of the club, career furthering and such like

No one has ever questioned the other side of this story though. If these guys say "I'm staying" would The Rangers pay them £20k+ a week in div 3?

pingwing · 24 Jun 2012 at 14:19

placeholder said:
No one has ever questioned the other side of this story though. If these guys say "I'm staying" would The Rangers pay them £20k+ a week in div 3?

Hadn't really thought about that, even in division 1 there's no way they can maintain the wages that have broken the club in the first place.

Safe to assume most players will take the best money they can make without destroying rangers and missing out on game time

placeholder · 24 Jun 2012 at 14:24

pingwing said:
Hadn't really thought about that, even in division 1 there's no way they can maintain the wages that have broken the club in the first place.

Safe to assume most players will take the best money they can make without destroying rangers and missing out on game time

Green has been very vocal in suggesting the contracts transfer automatically (wrongly) yet at no point has he mentioned how said contracts would be funded if the club wasn't in the SPL.

There is all already the loss of Euro income which has to be factored in.

afraser2k · 24 Jun 2012 at 14:39

Green already said he needed to make £7m in wage savings in a newco situation so sounds like hot air at the moment. Even if he decides to go to court I doubt many fans will be looking forward to playing in the SPL without most of the current first team.

Rumour is Naismith is on his way to Everton.

placeholder · 24 Jun 2012 at 16:15

If Green says "Good Morning" id be going outside to check. I don't doubt there will be a few Rangers players on fat contracts who will find "bigger" clubs. But there will be a glut of guys on good money who maybe won't have natural alternatives in place - will he pay those guys?

Metalface Mark · 24 Jun 2012 at 16:46

placeholder said:
If Green says "Good Morning" id be going outside to check. I don't doubt there will be a few Rangers players on fat contracts who will find "bigger" clubs. But there will be a glut of guys on good money who maybe won't have natural alternatives in place - will he pay those guys?

He will have to, all the big earners are going to go, the only reason McCulloch has said he is staying, he wouldnt get anything like what he's on anywhere else.

placeholder · 24 Jun 2012 at 16:49

Metalface Mark said:
He will have to, all the big earners are going to go, the only reason McCulloch has said he is staying, he wouldnt get anything like what he's on anywhere else.

McCulloch has been stealing a wage for the last couple of years, no reason that should change now.

Swordfish · 24 Jun 2012 at 17:58

Whittaker and Naismith explain their reasons for not moving to the newco

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotla...d&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=sportsound

TheGamingGeneral · 24 Jun 2012 at 18:03

"We owe no loyalty to the new club. There is no history there for us."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18560798

Oh I can hear the bears stiring

afraser2k · 24 Jun 2012 at 18:10

Green has now written to the SFA saying he's taking action against the players. Funny how he's now insisting that they follow football rules instead of the law, wonder if he'll do that with the transfer ban?