Other than the media rights, which I don't agree with, nothing else is new and has always been put forward as the price of transfering Rangers SFA membership.
The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread
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Other than the media rights, which I don't agree with, nothing else is new and has always been put forward as the price of transfering Rangers SFA membership.
Thats very true it has nothing to do with newco.
Geez. It ain't getting any better is it? Time is getting Very short to get it sorted out.
I must admit holding previous titles over the head of the newco does seem a bit draconian. Mind you the fans have said its still the same Rangers, with the same history, just under new management.
I must admit holding previous titles over the head of the newco does seem a bit draconian. Mind you the fans have said its still the same Rangers, with the same history, just under new management.
It isn't the SFA that's holding the titles over the newco, it's the newco threatening the SFA to drop the investigation into the dual contracts.
Indeed, it's why the SFA should call their bluff and make it absolutely clear that the investigation and subsequent sanctions are not negotiable.
I think Rangers are in the best position they're going to be in to make demands. They have no team, haven't bought one yet and if they enter the SFL3 with sanctions then they might as well wait until next year to do it.
It's getting to the point that I think the whole of Scottish football is built on hatred, and everybody hates Rangers considerably more than they like their own teams. Thinking along those lines the whole thing can come crashing down, all the clubs can be liquidated and everybody can blame it on whoever they like.
The idea that Scottish football can continue without Rangers has been proven to be completely and totally untrue - there's a financial meltdown on the cards and people don't care about their own teams as long as it hurts Rangers.
If that's what it's all about then goodbye football. The decline started in Manchester when half of Glasgow decided to go down and expose ourselves as scumbags. Then Lennon with the bomb threats etc... I've seen nothing positive from Scottish football for years and the whole Craig Whyte episode seems to have reinforced that with the rest of Scottish football biting the hand that feeds it.
It's getting to the point that I think the whole of Scottish football is built on hatred, and everybody hates Rangers considerably more than they like their own teams. Thinking along those lines the whole thing can come crashing down, all the clubs can be liquidated and everybody can blame it on whoever they like.
The idea that Scottish football can continue without Rangers has been proven to be completely and totally untrue - there's a financial meltdown on the cards and people don't care about their own teams as long as it hurts Rangers.
If that's what it's all about then goodbye football. The decline started in Manchester when half of Glasgow decided to go down and expose ourselves as scumbags. Then Lennon with the bomb threats etc... I've seen nothing positive from Scottish football for years and the whole Craig Whyte episode seems to have reinforced that with the rest of Scottish football biting the hand that feeds it.
Sorry, but if the SFA bow to Rangers demands to drop the investigation, Scottish football will have just turned itself into something akin to wrestling. Hatred doesn't come into it, we truely will have become a mickey mouse league where a team could cheat for a decade and not face investigation over it.
I don't see a point in the investigation. What is it going to conclude? That the Rangers owner done a runner without paying the tax bill, sold it to a dodgy bloke who then allowed them to sink into liquidation?
If Rangers had been bought by a Russian oil magnate who had paid of HMRC they'd not be 'guilty' and this would have been avoided.
If the "cheating" for a decade depends on who buys you years later then I don't think it's cheating.
It'd be different if there was a lid on club's finances and owners couldn't pump money in. However they can.
From Rangers perspective why permit the SFA to continue their investigation? Why not just tell them to stick it and they can either wipe the slate clean and put them into division 3 or not do it. It's one or the other, it's very nearly the start of the season and to continue with the prospect of further sanctions coming is ludicrous.
You can't change history either. They could say that Celtic won the league not Rangers, but that's not going to change anything, just the written record.
The SFA/SPL/SFL have had plenty of time to do all of this and they left it to the last minute every time. They should have had all of this sorted out by May, not August. Instead they've just stuck their head in the sand each and every time and not made contingency plans.
I'd even accuse them of deliberately delaying things to remove the choice from clubs. fans didn't want Rangers in the SFL1, Rangers fans didn't, yet they just about managed to force it to happen.
Now with this investigation I expect that they're doing nothing at all other than trying to get Rangers to agree to it and start the league. Then no doubt there will be sanctions which are dependent on how Rangers are doing this year.
SPL(and SFL and SFA) are Mickey Mouse through and through, nobody can deny that and the only way forward is to draw a line and get on with next season. If the SPL want to investigate Rangers then that's fine - don't let us into a league until the investigation is finished.
If Rangers had been bought by a Russian oil magnate who had paid of HMRC they'd not be 'guilty' and this would have been avoided.
If the "cheating" for a decade depends on who buys you years later then I don't think it's cheating.
It'd be different if there was a lid on club's finances and owners couldn't pump money in. However they can.
From Rangers perspective why permit the SFA to continue their investigation? Why not just tell them to stick it and they can either wipe the slate clean and put them into division 3 or not do it. It's one or the other, it's very nearly the start of the season and to continue with the prospect of further sanctions coming is ludicrous.
You can't change history either. They could say that Celtic won the league not Rangers, but that's not going to change anything, just the written record.
The SFA/SPL/SFL have had plenty of time to do all of this and they left it to the last minute every time. They should have had all of this sorted out by May, not August. Instead they've just stuck their head in the sand each and every time and not made contingency plans.
I'd even accuse them of deliberately delaying things to remove the choice from clubs. fans didn't want Rangers in the SFL1, Rangers fans didn't, yet they just about managed to force it to happen.
Now with this investigation I expect that they're doing nothing at all other than trying to get Rangers to agree to it and start the league. Then no doubt there will be sanctions which are dependent on how Rangers are doing this year.
SPL(and SFL and SFA) are Mickey Mouse through and through, nobody can deny that and the only way forward is to draw a line and get on with next season. If the SPL want to investigate Rangers then that's fine - don't let us into a league until the investigation is finished.
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Yes - Rangers abused a tax reduction scheme and produced contracts which explicitly said that salaries would be part paid by a Benefit Trust. Meanwhile contracts to the SPL said different, so there were apparently two contracts used.
Things getting even more interesting over media rights: source.
So looks like Newco Rangers aren't entitled to any money from the SFL for a period of four years as Sevco were accepted as associate member and they can't vote either.
I'd assume it would include media rights since the SFL board negotiate on behalf of all SFL clubs and this is why they're fighting with the SPL.
So looks like Newco Rangers aren't entitled to any money from the SFL for a period of four years as Sevco were accepted as associate member and they can't vote either.
I'd assume it would include media rights since the SFL board negotiate on behalf of all SFL clubs and this is why they're fighting with the SPL.
Just a decade? it's beyond that. Goes back to the days of Graeme Souness. The shady things of the past was the outcome of the shady things of the future.
All of which is in the past, which can't be changed.
What's the point of it now? Why is it just Ranger's past that's being looked at? Because they're down on the ground and everybody likes giving someone a kicking?
Being over the top meticulous with it now won't make up for the SPL/SFA/SFL being a bunch of jokers in the past.
Put us into the 3rd division with a clean slate or don't. Putting us in with sanctions still to come and investigations to be done etc is unacceptable, and Green and McCoist would be daft to continue under that cloud.
It's as if they think they can get a clean bill of health by how much they investigate and punish Rangers.
It won't change that the behaviour of fans across the board is disgusting. It won't change that football is our national hobby of expressing hatred towards other people. It won't change them trying to force Rangers into the SFL1 against the wishes of all the fans. It won't change the majority of fans wanting the death of Rangers more than they wanted the survival of their own club. It won't change a structure entirely financially dependent on Celtic and Rangers. it won't change years of corruption and inept leadership.
They missed the opportunity to reform the league structures - they can get that running for when Rangers re-enter the SPL if they want, between now and then the old firm don't have the casting vote any more.
But they do need to draw a line and get back to the football.
There is not a shred of integrity left. That's my point.. you can't regain it by going back and correcting all the mistakes around Rangers. And you certainly can't do it for all the clubs.
It won't change that the behaviour of fans across the board is disgusting. It won't change that football is our national hobby of expressing hatred towards other people. It won't change them trying to force Rangers into the SFL1 against the wishes of all the fans. It won't change the majority of fans wanting the death of Rangers more than they wanted the survival of their own club. It won't change a structure entirely financially dependent on Celtic and Rangers. it won't change years of corruption and inept leadership.
They missed the opportunity to reform the league structures - they can get that running for when Rangers re-enter the SPL if they want, between now and then the old firm don't have the casting vote any more.
But they do need to draw a line and get back to the football.
There is not a shred of integrity left. That's my point.. you can't regain it by going back and correcting all the mistakes around Rangers. And you certainly can't do it for all the clubs.
Is it? they were happy to cream off all the money when this went on for decades. It's like watching the banking mess from 2007 to the present day, government happy to cream off the banks until it went belly up, but it's football. Same kind of mess.
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