The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread

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Metalface Mark said:
Been punished enough by administration is the general feeling among Rangers fans.
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My own club (Crystal Palace) has been in administration twice in the last 10 years. We didn't break any rules - we just didn't have enough money.

Do you think that Rangers should receive the same punishment as a club who have not broken the rules of the governing body or the law of the land?
 
Metalface Mark said:
There is no agenda, there is no Celtic agenda to cripple Rangers, its pure and simply Rangers being punished for mismanagement for many years, well before Whyte ever came on board (although I appreciate he has made matters worse).
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My team in Scotland is Rangers and I have cheered them on many times over the years.

I really believe they should have the book thrown at them over this. To be honest I think they should be relegated at least 1 division in addition to everything else they have been hit with.
 
Kennysevenfold said:
Would love to see anyone who wouldn't "fall apart" at the prospect of there beloved club, job and life being so close to death, its not called "falling apart"
Its called passion!!!!!
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There's a thing called class and dignity, neither of which Rangers have shown in this mess.

It has been proven (even by their own actions) that they have been buying players on wages they have no intent on paying (or paying the original club for in the first place). The business has been run on the basis they can con everyone on the commanding position that they are part of the old firm, money has been through the club with no understanding of what a mess they are in.

McCoist could have done the sensible thing and said the board room is nothing to do with me and just gotten on with football (Appleton being the only respectable individual at Portsmouth as a comparative case has accepted there has been running problems but has not thrown his toys out the pram and acted like an adult about it).

Rangers have gotten everything they deserve as they have cheated and defrauded their own fans on the basis the gravy train can keep generating money, except its crashed and they still haven't realised it. No club in the world has the stupidity to sell season ticket revenue to plug up finances that will need filling in 12 months time! It's beyond stupid and more than just Whytes greed need to accept responsibility for it.

As a comparison with Celtic, Strachen had it perfectly, they knew 5-6 years ago the money wouldn't keep rolling in, so they changed the model and now are running within their means. Rangers have learnt the hard way of what that is about.
 
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Kennysevenfold said:
Yes, the only club to have done out of 4 teams i think.
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Not the only team now :p

But there is a difference, Dundee had the embargo in place during administration only. If Rangers came out of administration tomorrow the ban would still be in place.

Dundee only went into administration, Rangers went into administation and broke several rules. There is a difference.
 
pingwing said:
There's a thing called class and dignity, neither of which Rangers have shown in this mess.

It has been proven (even by their own actions) that they have been buying players on wages they have no intent on paying (or paying the original club for in the first place).
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And yet they still tried to push through the signing of Daniel Cousin after they went into administration. Classy
 
Yeah, they'll be liquidated at the end of the season. They've got no chance of surviving the close season without a buyer and a buyer won't buy whilst the HMRC case is unresolved.
 
lordfletch said:
total tosh , the spl will collapse without sky money not to mention gate reciepts, sky are infact paying for 4 glasgow dearbys a year.

not all are against us , http://www.dundeefc.co.uk/news_deta...-PRESS-REPORTS-RE-SPL-AND-RANGERS&newsid=2293
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Again, misinformed nonsense. Sky have said no such thing, its all pie in the sky and no one knows what would happen, clubs may or may not have to cut their cloth, equally it could mean more fans through the gate with a more competitive league and more money for other clubs with Rangers out the way. As I said at the moment, no one knows and this is just a drum for Rangers fans to beat to try and scare a newco back into the league which is looking less and less likely (indeed, complete liquidation is looking more and more likely)

jamesy505 said:
Who are they?
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They cant be named (were on twitter) and theres legal action but they were all independent guys appointed to a panel that Rangers and other clubs agreed with at the time.

Kennysevenfold said:
Dont talk so much rubbish.

"disgusting" to want to know who it is that is putting the last few nails in the coffin? Get away with yourself. :confused:


Would love to see anyone who wouldn't "fall apart" at the prospect of there beloved club, job and life being so close to death, its not called "falling apart"
Its called passion!!!!!
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Look at it this way, if your on trial for a crime, are you allowed to find out who the jurors are? Its exactly the same thing, its not a personal vendetta, its a system put in part by Rangers who helped approve it, you cant just change the rules now your clubs been found out to be crooked.

Kennysevenfold said:
You living in a dream world? If there are no Rangers, there are no big money deals in Scotland, less likely to attract reasonable named players, the game as a whole would suffer.

As for St.mirren, 9th position? aye, that's just fine :rolleyes:
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You may not be able to believe it (I know its hard for glory hunters to comprehend) but winning isnt everything. Newsflash, only Rangers and Celtic attract big players anyway, it affects my club not a jot.

spudbynight said:
My own club (Crystal Palace) has been in administration twice in the last 10 years. We didn't break any rules - we just didn't have enough money.

Do you think that Rangers should receive the same punishment as a club who have not broken the rules of the governing body or the law of the land?
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The problem is that they have, they have taken money from clubs knowing full well they had no means to pay it back, thats why they have been handed the punishment.

I asked before, what do you think is a fair punishment for your club Rangers fans? Do you think you should be able to get away scot free just because the club is an institution? If it was Celtic in the same position, would you be happy for them to get the same treatment? If the answer is no, then you are simply hypocrites.
 
Nauggie said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17844658

BBC article paints very bleak picture for Rangers - did not realise how bad it was. Was confident someone would have bought them by now.

I wonder if they get liquidated if they could transfer to English amateur division and start over and try work there way into the premier.
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They are pretty much screwed completely, the main problem even after the almost certain liquidation, people still have to deal with Whyte to get Ibrox and Murray park off him and he could potentially ask for a huge amount that would put buyers off, especially now the boot is being put into him by Rangers fans.

Its very possible that we will start a new season without Rangers in any way shape or form.
 
Jokester said:
Yeah, they'll be liquidated at the end of the season. They've got no chance of surviving the close season without a buyer and a buyer won't buy whilst the HMRC case is unresolved.
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do you have any evidence to justify saying the hmrc case wont be resolved before the end of the season and that a buyer wont be found unless its resolved ?
 
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jamesy505 said:
Rangers need to be punished for the rule breaks that have happened.

Rangers or indeed Darryl King cant talk about moral crusaders when it appears most Rangers fans would prefer the immoral way out of shafting creditors and keeping their place at the top table, with no penalties.

Do you actually think any members of the panel want their name published? Do you live in Glasgow? Seriously, they would need to move to a safehouse even if their decision was justified.
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did you actually think their names would stay a secret in glasgow ? and you think its me thats naive, :D
 
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lordfletch said:
do you have any evidence to justify saying the hmrc case wont be resolved before the end of the season and that a buyer wont be found unless its resolved ?
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At the moment there is only two interested parties, one wants to liquidate the club, the other is part of the crowd that got Rangers into the mess in the first place.

Doesnt look great with either scenario even if they do come forward and finalise things.
 
Moses said:
Is the worst case scenario that Rangers have to start at the bottom of Scottish football, or is it them completely ceasing to exist?
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Ceasing to exist. Theres no direct access into Division 3, technically should they go into liquidation they have to apply along with others but teams are supposed to need 3 years audited accounts to apply (which is why Gretna couldnt re-apply when they started a newco)
 
Moses said:
Is the worst case scenario that Rangers have to start at the bottom of Scottish football, or is it them completely ceasing to exist?
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Worst case is they cease to exist as mounting debt and lack of a buyer to pay off the CVA causes the administrators to liquidate them. This is even before any announcement of the big tax case and investigation into EBT. The last few days just mean even Rangers fans have to be realistic about the clubs chances of being saved instead of believing the tabloids.

Liquidation has been on the cards since the start of administration with their debts and lack of interest in buying the club. We now have many other financial problems coming out as the media slowly released the news.
 
Moses said:
I meant in terms of the Rangers name within Scottish football/their 'slot' in the SPL.

Could someone (/a fans' consortium) then start a Rangers FC? Obviously it would be at the very bottom, but I guess that'd be their only option.

FAO: Rangers fans. Would you support a new club, like that? An AFC Wimbledon/FC United type affair.
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The problem is, there is no structure in Scotland like in England. You cant start at the bottom and work your way up, you have to play in some diddy league until someone else in the league goes under and apply to take their place.
 
Metalface Mark said:
The problem is, there is no structure in Scotland like in England. You cant start at the bottom and work your way up, you have to play in some diddy league until someone else in the league goes under and apply to take their place.
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Can they still buy a club and rename them (do an Airdrie)? I think this is the more likely outcome rather than liquidation now since no punishment would apply. Clubs like Clyde would be very vulnerable to this since they're supposed to be moving soon.
 
afraser2k said:
Can they still buy a club and rename them (do an Airdrie)? I think this is the more likely outcome rather than liquidation now since no punishment would apply. Clubs like Clyde would be very vulnerable to this since they're supposed to be moving soon.
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Yes, this is possible, but it would mean killing another club and its history, something they are very keen to hold onto themselves. It would need someone running a club currently who didnt care what its fans thought.

Id be raging if my club went under to save Rangers.
 
A lot of the Scottish league teams are part time.

lordfletch said:
do you have any evidence to justify saying the hmrc case wont be resolved before the end of the season and that a buyer wont be found unless its resolved ?
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Do you see any bids being accepted?

Even if HMRC lose the case, they will appeal, same if Rangers lose, but either way Rangers don't have the luxury of time. The adminstrators have already said the club is still running a loss, despite cut backs at all levels and that's with gate income.
 
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