The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread
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Just up on the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18099048.
Going to be a fun reaction in the media and fans tomorrow.
Most expecting a suspended embargo but due to the SFA not wanting to expel Rangers since it would kill the club they went with the ban. Can we expect a protest march on the cup final and increased fan support of a move to the 3rd division?
I find it odd the level of punishment doesn`t really fit the "crime".
The hatred of Rangers (born of jealousy) seems to have reached new levels.
Just how much punishment should the club face? We have already been docked 10 points and been deprived of revenue from European Football. As unpalatable as it is, we are then further hit with financial penalties and then banned from signing players for 12 months.
I don't deny a football club cannot be let off scot free from being run in such a manner but in the case of Rangers, there are mitigating circumstances.
Every man woman and child supporter of Rangers paid their way. We paid, up front, all our season ticket money and merchandise etc. We done everything by the book. The actions of 1 or 2 individuals put the club where it is today yet the entire club, staff, players and fans are punished.
I could accept this punishment if we were all guilty but we are not, 1 or 2 individuals are and therefor we will not take this lying down.
Further protests are being organised as well as a further appeal.
The SFA should be doing all the can to restore some sort of equilibrium to Scottish Football and safeguard any possible CVA which benefits everyone. As a member club, every step possible should be made to help Rangers, instead the knife is twisted once again in to the backs of genuine decent football fans who`s club has been used as a toy by charlatans.
So, you are either sympathetic to the problem we are in, or you rank among the fundamentalists who see this as a great opportunity to perversly watch a mighty institution and it`s innocent fans suffer.
Are you so blinded by hatred and tribalism that you can`t see the wood for the trees?
Permament damage has been done and i think it is irreversable in terms of Rangers travelling support. The leaders of all the supporters groups are refusing future tickets to any club that is kicking us when we`re down as oppose to offering a hand to help us up.
Let me once again explain that the staff, players, management and support of Rangers are very much the victims in this. We were unable to alter the course of this disaster in any way shape of form. We therefor feel outraged at the decision of our governing body in imposing a transfer imbargo which further damages us and ultimately Scottish football.
In simple terms, Rangers are Scottish Football.
The hatred of Rangers (born of jealousy) seems to have reached new levels.
Just how much punishment should the club face? We have already been docked 10 points and been deprived of revenue from European Football. As unpalatable as it is, we are then further hit with financial penalties and then banned from signing players for 12 months.
I don't deny a football club cannot be let off scot free from being run in such a manner but in the case of Rangers, there are mitigating circumstances.
Every man woman and child supporter of Rangers paid their way. We paid, up front, all our season ticket money and merchandise etc. We done everything by the book. The actions of 1 or 2 individuals put the club where it is today yet the entire club, staff, players and fans are punished.
I could accept this punishment if we were all guilty but we are not, 1 or 2 individuals are and therefor we will not take this lying down.
Further protests are being organised as well as a further appeal.
The SFA should be doing all the can to restore some sort of equilibrium to Scottish Football and safeguard any possible CVA which benefits everyone. As a member club, every step possible should be made to help Rangers, instead the knife is twisted once again in to the backs of genuine decent football fans who`s club has been used as a toy by charlatans.
So, you are either sympathetic to the problem we are in, or you rank among the fundamentalists who see this as a great opportunity to perversly watch a mighty institution and it`s innocent fans suffer.
Are you so blinded by hatred and tribalism that you can`t see the wood for the trees?
Permament damage has been done and i think it is irreversable in terms of Rangers travelling support. The leaders of all the supporters groups are refusing future tickets to any club that is kicking us when we`re down as oppose to offering a hand to help us up.
Let me once again explain that the staff, players, management and support of Rangers are very much the victims in this. We were unable to alter the course of this disaster in any way shape of form. We therefor feel outraged at the decision of our governing body in imposing a transfer imbargo which further damages us and ultimately Scottish football.
In simple terms, Rangers are Scottish Football.
It seems initally there was no scope for imposing a tranfer embargo. Apparently the maximum penalty for "bringing the game in to disrepute" was £100,000.00
They then thought that wasn`t enough so pulled this tranfer ban out their arses.
I`m concerned this QC we`ve hired never ripped that to shreds. I`m sure, however, he will in court.
Rangers need to be helped in this situation, by the SFA moreso than anything or anyone else. For this very organisation to be actively seeking to weaken us in our already weakened state is scary.
I`ve never known our support to be so united in anger and as animated which also concerns me.
I`ll repeat, Rangers need to be helped, not harshly punished for the good of Scottish Football.
The SFA are arguing that the punishment would've been expulsion of membership of the league but as it was Rangers the panel were within their rights to find another solution, in this case a transfer emargo due to the seriousness of the debts. I guess it comes down to whether the Rangers fans prefer the embargo or expulsion from the league and the death of the club?
Talk this morning is Rangers will take the case to CAS putting them into a situation similar to Sion, which as we all know has ended with them being relegated due to points deduction and the Swiss league in financial caos.
As the SFA have said though Rangers currently have 40 players in their squad so will depend on how many will walk away on cut price deals in the summer.
No doubt more fun and games to come.
The SFA are arguing that the punishment would've been expulsion of membership of the league but as it was Rangers the panel were within their rights to find another solution, in this case a transfer emargo due to the seriousness of the debts. I guess it comes down to whether the Rangers fans prefer the embargo or expulsion from the league and the death of the club?
Talk this morning is Rangers will take the case to CAS putting them into a situation similar to Sion, which as we all know has ended with them being relegated due to points deduction and the Swiss league in financial caos.
As the SFA have said though Rangers currently have 40 players in their squad so will depend on how many will walk away on cut price deals in the summer.
No doubt more fun and games to come.
Instead of looking for ways to handicap and punish, the SFA should be looking at ways of helping member clubs, all clubs, not just Rangers. Every club should also take note of how easily 1 individual can destroy their club. Hearts fans take note.
Every other club with the exception of 1, should be able to put tribalism aside temporarily and see the wood for the trees in this situation.
McRod said:
A state that Rangers Football Club and its officers got themselves into.
McRod said:
People "do not hate" Rangers because of this, they simply want just and fair punishment
McRod said:
The only mitigating circumstances are that the Club simply wishes to blame the entire fiasco on Craig Whyte. Reminds me of my youth - "Sorry Mister but it wisnae me, a big boy it did and ran away"
McRod said:
The Club has been found guilty.
McRod said:Are you so blinded by hatred and tribalism that you can`t see the wood for the trees?
This statement seems to targeted at one specific audience.
McRod said:
Sound economical sense there. "We are struggling financialy so lets not sell tickets. And you think other clubs are being petty.
McRod said:
No they are not, not one club is any more important than the rest.
McRod said:
I actually do have some sympathy for staff who may lose the jobs.
My own viewpoint is that Rangers Football Club and it operating officers, Director Level past and present, do need to be punished for the way things have been run. You seem to forget that a lot of the problems started and grew under David Murray's time and were exasperated by Craig Whyte.
If Rangers are allowed to form a newco and remain in the SPL, which is legal but wholly immoral, then this will open the floodgates for other clubs with financial problems to do the same and then the whole integrity of Scottish Football goes.
I have no issue with Rangers Football Club remaining in the SPL but it must be as the club is at the moment , either by settling their debts or using a CVA to come out from administration.
The loss of Rangers from the SPL (if it happens) would be a blow financialy as unfortunaltey the TV revenue depends on two clubs but I and others I have spoken with agree that the game here will survive and may get stronger.
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So it seems that Rangers don't have a legal leg to stand on with any appeal to CAS etc? Original penalty was the maximum £100k and the panel thought this was insufficiant. Sounds like more hot air from the administrators if true.
So it seems that Rangers don't have a legal leg to stand on with any appeal to CAS etc? Original penalty was the maximum £100k and the panel thought this was insufficiant. Sounds like more hot air from the administrators if true.
Oh grow up, when Rangers FC get over this attitude that they are some how too valuable to the game in scotland then maybe, just maybe something positive can happen.
Keep spouting that nonsense and the SFA will force the team out and just have an SPL of 11 clubs and Rangers will carry on their "worlds most successful club" rubbish in the Irish league beating Linfield every couple of months... (note reforming and playing in the Irish League more than likely won't happen, its a joke to highlight how silly Rangers are being about this)
I repeat, Rangers are Scottish Football. Thats not being arrogant, it is merely stating facts.
If we weren`t , we`d have disappeared without a whimper like Gretna etc.
The entire institution of Rangers FC is the life blood of Scottish football and it is why the other teams desperately need us to stay afloat.
They need our fans through their gates and they need our brand for TV money.
This is plain and simple facts.
Says it all about Scottish football if that's the case....
When Dundee Utd go in to administration, who will you blame? Will you blame Rangers for boycotting Tannadice or will you blame the Thompson`s for spending money they couldn`t afford? Your owners took you to brink last year when the sale of Goodwille spared you from administration.
By your logic, Thompson should also be charged by running his club at a loss?. Whats UTD`s debt currently standing at? Do you think it is servicable? Should the SFA investigate your ability to service the debt? I know your bank is still very concerned.
The fact of the matter is that our debt was servicable (18m) when Craig White took over.
The Rangers fans are united in the fact that we want to repay all debts but we currently cannot. We have no vehcile in which to do so. If we were to achieve a CVA then every penny would be paid back, such is the loyalty of the Rangers fans.
The fans paid a few clubs and a few debtors with some money they were able to raise but we are intent on repaying all moneys and taxes due to everyone involved on behalf of the charlatans who were unable to.
We have done this for 140 years and will continue to do so given the opportunity once the cavemen stop stabbing the mammoth and let it back on it`s feet.
We need the punishment to be fair and enable Rangers to emerge from this as quickly as possible.
If it has to be a newco, then the 3rd division would suit us perfectly. it would also allow the other SPL clubs to sample a few years without our travelling support and TV revenue to see just how good or bad the SPL would be without us.
Everyone wins.....apart from the clubs who`s directors have based their entire budget on Rangers fans visiting twice sometimes 3 times a season (£500k to £750k) and the relative TV revenue. The debt these clubs are currently in means their mere existance depends on Rangers being in the SPL next season.
If, and more likely when, administration comes to your club, how much sympathy do you think the Rangers fans will have if you were one of the cavemen throwing the spears?.
If it`s utter tosh, please provide us with brief description on how your club will make up the loss of anything between £500k to £750k in travelling support and approx 1.5 on TV revenue?
You were on the verge of administration last season and only saved by punting Goodwullie.
Which part exactly is utter tosh?
About the same that Rangers fans had when Partick Thistle were in trouble and were only saved by the "Save the Jags" campaign, or any other club that has been in trouble in recent years. "Scotland has too many football clubs", "don't spend outwith your means" seemed to be favourite quotes at the time.
If either Rangers or Celtci stop playing in the SPL i dread to think the outcome.
As unpalatable as it is for other clubs to admit it, it is unfortunately the truth.
They have run up too much debt to allow them to downsize too quickly. The only way they can service the debt is through the money generated by both the Glasgow clubs.
Little clubs like St Mirren seem to be in good enough financial shape to cope but they are one of the very few.
Personally i think there has to be some sort of European league system with a split similar to the current SPL split where the top 8 teams go head to head for the Champions League Trophy.
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