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Yea i got that one and it's from Epic games so yea full legit.
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The RT Related Games, Benchmarks, Software, Etc Thread.
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Enjoy it mate, if you didn't know you could do this/as in I just blew your mind that you could play it again but on the pc, then I'm buzzing for you and glad to have helped!
I've known about it for years but was messing around with macs/hackintosh's so never tried this out.
Same goes for the Tomb Raider 2 UE beast fan made demo? This was amazing!
Check it out if you haven't already, TR2 was my first TR game I owned, loved Venice for example. This is just the first level but it's amazing recreation wise!
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I never knew so thanks for that. I thought it was lost as Ps4's with it on were going for stupid money years back when they took it down. So thought that was it for P.T.Enjoy it mate, if you didn't know you could do this/as in I just blew your mind that you could play it again but on the pc, then I'm buzzing for you and glad to have helped!
I've known about it for years but was messing around with macs/hackintosh's so never tried this out.
Same goes for the Tomb Raider 2 UE beast fan made demo? This was amazing!
Check it out if you haven't already, TR2 was my first TR game I owned, loved Venice for example. This is just the first level but it's amazing recreation wise!
I am not a big Tomb Raider fan although i should be as i like those type of games.
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Yeah I remember people selling the PS4 on the correct firmware with the demo for £250-1250 on ebay!!!
I love that having a jailbroken PS4 means I can still play it legit on native hardware, love niche things like that!
Ah wicked mate, love sharing cool stuff like that, means you can preserve it as well, and be interesting to play with a K+M or again with a controller, as I say I used DS4Windows and worked fine with my DS4 the minute I turned the controller on mid game
Yeah love TR, but they were very unforgiving back in the day haha! The remake/modern trilogy are outstanding mate, I'd highly recommend them, the Remake + the 3rd game are the best, 2nd one is good too and seems to improve each time but yeah the first and last are just offfftttt good!!!
The perfect way to get into TR without the old school savageness they used to have, you can IIRC play them on harder difficulties too, the modern ones...
I've replayed the remake/reboot whatever you wanna call it, about 10 or more times, it's so good, and you play it at your own pace and it's basically own world on the island depending on which bits you have access to, and can just go bumbling around raiding mystery tombs and doing other stuff if you want
Modern Games are still 1080p on consoles though so what's changed?
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I think you missed my point mate
It was more referring to how good this game looked 9 coming up 10 years ago, and it was a WIP demo and on old hardware by todays standard, yet looks very good even now for a old console game?
The res point was more this was pre ps4 pro etc... so 1080p only, where as if it'd been 4k then obviously everything would be higher res/better and more understandable as to why it looks so good even now.
I also think that Allison Road fan made sequel/homage again looks amazing, considering it's basically homebrew made, and in general that and P.T. look so good for a ps4, not many games in reality looked that good playing them/had the atmosphere/everything dialed, Kojima is one of the GOATs at making the most out of the hardware he's given, I mean look how good MGS2 looks on the PS2 and at 60fps! MGS4 also looks amazing on the PS3.
Anyone that games now with 1080p on a PC is a tightarse!
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I think you missed my point mate
It was more referring to how good this game looked 9 coming up 10 years ago, and it was a WIP demo and on old hardware by todays standard, yet looks very good even now for a old console game?
The res point was more this was pre ps4 pro etc... so 1080p only, where as if it'd been 4k then obviously everything would be higher res/better and more understandable as to why it looks so good even now.
I also think that Allison Road fan made sequel/homage again looks amazing, considering it's basically homebrew made, and in general that and P.T. look so good for a ps4, not many games in reality looked that good playing them/had the atmosphere/everything dialed, Kojima is one of the GOATs at making the most out of the hardware he's given, I mean look how good MGS2 looks on the PS2 and at 60fps! MGS4 also looks amazing on the PS3.
Anyone that games now with 1080p on a PC is a tightarse!
My point was that hardware hasn't improved much over the 9 years
The days of a new console being 40 times more powerful than the previous one are long gone
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It’s no better with GPUs though, when a 1080ti came out it was 400% faster than a 7 year old top tier card and cost 40% more so had a price to performance increase of 360% yet roll forward to today and a 4090 is 240% faster than a 1080ti but costs 130% more so you’re only getting a 110% increase in price performance or 15% per year.
It’s even worse for something like a 4070, a 1070 had a price performance increase of 300% from a 470 yet roll on to today and a 4070 only nets you a 90% price performance increase over a 1070 despite the mid range supposedly offering better value.
Price to performance or just price in general is absolutely an issue but a different issue I think
But keef was talking, or complaining that a 9 year old game still holds up against today's games which is true and it's not necessarily lazy developers but hardware hasn't changed much.
* PlayStation 4 to PlayStation 5: 5x performance gain
* PlayStation 3 to 4: 8x performance gain
* PlayStation 2 to 3: 35x performance gain
* PlayStation 1 to 2: 39x performance gain
All generation's of PlayStation consoles have roughly the same numbers of years between launches yet we can clearly see the massive downgrade in performance in the recent generations. That is why a game today does not fundamentally look that different to a good game that's 9 years old
And this isn't a new complaint. The day the PS4 launched people already complained the games looked just like PS3 games and that's not surprising given it was only a 8x performance gain for the new machine and now it's even worse we only got a 5x gain
The power to brute force amazing new graphics just doesn't exist anymore, that's why the industry is in a stalemate in terms of fidelity. It's a good thing then that gameplay is king and developers should focus on better gameplay not better graphics
But keef was talking, or complaining that a 9 year old game still holds up against today's games which is true and it's not necessarily lazy developers but hardware hasn't changed much.
* PlayStation 4 to PlayStation 5: 5x performance gain
* PlayStation 3 to 4: 8x performance gain
* PlayStation 2 to 3: 35x performance gain
* PlayStation 1 to 2: 39x performance gain
All generation's of PlayStation consoles have roughly the same numbers of years between launches yet we can clearly see the massive downgrade in performance in the recent generations. That is why a game today does not fundamentally look that different to a good game that's 9 years old
And this isn't a new complaint. The day the PS4 launched people already complained the games looked just like PS3 games and that's not surprising given it was only a 8x performance gain for the new machine and now it's even worse we only got a 5x gain
The power to brute force amazing new graphics just doesn't exist anymore, that's why the industry is in a stalemate in terms of fidelity. It's a good thing then that gameplay is king and developers should focus on better gameplay not better graphics
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IMO companies should wait longer between hardware revisions so we see truly gargantuan perf gains and devs will then be able to showcase some nice eye candy.
Sure but to do that time spans are now quite long, if you wanted to wait for a machine that could boast 30x or more performance over a ps4 you'd probably be waiting till around 2030 or about 15 years after the ps4
Gamers would need to be ready accept that first. There is a bit of an industry standard that has been set over the last 40 years and that standard is that we start a new console generation every 7 or 8 years but actually now it looks like we should increase that to every 15 or 16 years
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I think mid cycle refreshes are ok if they are meaningful i.e PS4 to PS4 Pro, It enabled some nice eye candy and upped the FPS cap in a fair few games from 30 to 60.
Console launch, 4 years later a refresh, 4 years later a new console, I think that is quite acceptable.
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True, I just think that game for a ps4 game looks PC grade good, and that is something that rarely happens regardless of the generation, I mean sure currently you can get within reason close with the consoles, but ps4 era a PC running max 1080p settings/AA/AF etc etc would blow it out of the water big time looks wise...
This game is probably the only game I can think of that has 'cutscene' grade graphics - as in when the cutscenes would look better than the gameplay.
Yeah the rule of thumb is to always wait for the slim, so you don't end up with a console that sounds like a jet engine, and by the point of the slim coming out the original's fan will definitely have reached that point haha!
No offense, but that is a crazy way to live your life though, obsessing over a % figure...
Technology simply isn't making those kind of generational leaps now, it's not some conspiracy that they're holding back, even if you get a 3090 and a 4090 together the actual physical image quality is not a generation ahead, it's 'nice' but it's not like say PS2 to PS4 grade difference, and based on what you're saying, that's what you're expecting?
Don't get me wrong I'd love that too, but we've got to the point now where it's harder to advance 'that much' per generation or even 3 generations.
You can't say a 1080 to 4090 looks 'that much' better in 'next gen' terminology, as anyone can cheat and jump 4x higher resolutions, but that doesn't 'mean' the hardware is better, as you could use stupidly higher resolutions even back in the day, I had 1600x1200 on a 19" CRT, and that would blow the ps2/xbox/cube out of the water playing the same game with AA/AF turned on...
So IF the current hardware could max out the res of a monitor then compare that to a new tier GPU that runs the same limited by the monitor res of the 3 classes we still populate on average i.e. 1080p/1440p/2160p then there isn't going to be 'that much' in it looks wise, is there...
If you want to talk FPS, that's a different matter...
But I'm merely talking about looks, for me if I can have all the eye candy on in a 60fps locked/guarantied SP game with no dips below, then that's what I aim for.
I'd never ever sacrifice looks for more than 60fps in SP, it is pointless to me, 60fps is nice and smooth, sure above that can be nicer but really, in a SP game, 60-100fps is hardly jerky 30fps to 60fps difference is it...
I went from a RX 580 8GB to a 4070 - a big enough jump that simply put does what I want, I get the modern 4XXX features like DLSS3.X onwards, FG/Reflex to fall back on when I cant do native any longer, so for me I just want all the eye candy on and 60fps+ at the res my monitor/tv supports - I currently have that, so I'm happy.
When new games stop me from doing this be it with DLSS/FG/Reflex and it gets to the point where I can't have my eye candy/fps/res, then I'll upgrade.
A % vs the previous at that point won't mean anything in real world terms to me, what will however is how long I reckon the new card will last for based on the excessive fps it can produce at those settings in a demanding game, i.e. if I can get 120fps in a hardcore current game punishing it settings/res wise, then it'll probably do a respectable 60fps for the next 2 years fine, and at worst with DLSS/FG/Reflex turned on.
I appreciate that everyone is different, but for me PC games should blow you away visually, otherwise I'd just have it on a console - which I bar this generation usually have all of console wise and like to still have a PC if there's enough exclusives on either platform.
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The gist of all this is exactly that.
Back then generational leaps were happening regularly, and just like smartphones, the technological leap is less noticeable now because peak performance ratio has been reached and anything beyond that is either diminishing returns, or the realms of "well I can't tell the difference" etc. It's only at the ultra high end GPU segment which consists of only 1 GPU alone that makes total sense to basically say to hell with optimised settings for those that want a no-faff approach to gaming.
That's not to say anything lower can't enjoy modern games. Alan Wake 2 in its lowest settings looks better than many games on their highest. That is the reality we live in now and the aged standard of seeing HIGH/LOW etc no longer applies. These labelled presets should be removed completely I feel and only given actual feature labels with a toggle of on or off or a numerical slider.
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Exactly my brother, to me somethings worth it, if it is to me. That's the best way to be, I'm just the same with buying ridiculous vintage wheels for my classic cars, or posh suspension, rare recaros etc etc...
IMHO this is worth it for me.
Looking into the % figures is what tells you what you’re getting for you’re money, if I went out and blindly bought a new card this gen just because Nvidia says its good then when I tried the new card it would have actually been slower than my old £650 card unless I spent £800+ and even then I’m only getting 15% more fps which which doesn’t exactly allow for much extra eye candy.
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Wow, that looks impressive.
Can't wait to get an 256GB 8090 to play it!
Can't wait to get an 256GB 8090 to play it!
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora – PC Specs Revealed
Ahead of launch, check out the recently unveiled PC specs, and catch up on some of the PC-specific features you can expect when Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora drops on December 7.
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Looks like it's increasingly becoming the new norm to lean on upscaling with spec announcements.
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A 4090 at 4K maxed settings with DLSS Quality should get 60, Based on their sheet.
It's an AMD sponsored game though so that means the RT quality will be the lowest possible just to tick a marketing checkbox just like Far Cry 6 and Resident Evil Village.
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