The Rumour Mill, who do you want/think your club will sign/sell this summer
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Warnock is ok as a backup,ok going forward,but in defence he is little better than Traore.He makes a right mess of keeping the line,gets turned way too easily,and is slow.The first 2 will improve with experience,the speed won't.Mind,i doubt he's costing much so ok to hang on.
Dunno about Kromkamp,is he homesick or something? Ajaz interested.
I hope we hang on to Sinama,he's young enough still and i think he can be good enough too.Can't say the same about LeTallec,good player,just dont like his attitude
Dunno about Kromkamp,is he homesick or something? Ajaz interested.
I hope we hang on to Sinama,he's young enough still and i think he can be good enough too.Can't say the same about LeTallec,good player,just dont like his attitude
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BaZ87 said:
As i said, With Kromkamp leaving.....
NokkonWud said:
Not at the same time, no.
A better example for me would be the RM pairing of Ronaldo and Raul a few years back. And even then it's debatable because narrowing down all the strikers in the world to a top5 is quite tricky, there's different sorts of players and it can be hard to choose between them.
There have been quite a few teams with two world class (not necessarily top5, but genuine quality) strikers down the years however, especially in Italy.
I think Henry and Shevchenko would be the dream pairing of the decade so far however.
I think morientes should go and Cisse should definately stay; the lad has been deployed as a right winger and has got 18 goals which is pretty amazing. The lad loves liverpool and has a passion for the club; he's always the first to celebrate a goal and really wants to play for us; im glad Benitez praised him recently because he has been playing out of position and still chipping in with some goals and assists in what has been his 1st proper season.
I think we should get Pennant; if he can keep his cool he could be a great buy; he has skill and has the best cross in the premiership, plus he should be a cheap buy.. As long as didi stays we are fine in midefield as we have Gonzalez and Zenden to come back.
Defense is ok; it does look like we have lots of decent players on the left now, remember Riise is there too to add to the others i mentioned before and warnock has done ok when needed. Palleta and Agger are backup in defence too.
I think either pongolle/Cisse will go along with morientes which is a shame cos i like both the french lads. So really i can see 1 right winger and a striker being bought over the summer. Our squad is actually pretty good at the moment.
I think we should get Pennant; if he can keep his cool he could be a great buy; he has skill and has the best cross in the premiership, plus he should be a cheap buy.. As long as didi stays we are fine in midefield as we have Gonzalez and Zenden to come back.
Defense is ok; it does look like we have lots of decent players on the left now, remember Riise is there too to add to the others i mentioned before and warnock has done ok when needed. Palleta and Agger are backup in defence too.
I think either pongolle/Cisse will go along with morientes which is a shame cos i like both the french lads. So really i can see 1 right winger and a striker being bought over the summer. Our squad is actually pretty good at the moment.
BaZ87 said:
The thing is, I hear this sort of thing all the time from 'big' clubs, about how much cash they could bring in by shipping out the all the mediocre players (we get it ever year from MU fans). But it is VERY rare I ever see premiership clubs selling half a dozen players and bringing in millions for all of them. Usually they came with an unflated price tag and flopped, with the fans thinking that they can recoup maybe 50% of their cost, but it doesn't seem to happen that way. Look at some of the players MU shipped out, like Forlan, Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba etc - they all left for less than a 3rd of what was paid for them.
Players like Dudek aren't going to fetch £2m anymore, he's aging and goalies tend to be pretty cheap anyway - Niemi cost like £1m. I'd be suprised if you fetch more than £5-6m for Cisse.
More often than not, flops tend to sell for less than what they are worth anyway, because the big clubs are paying them big wages and they want to get them off the books.
Whens a flop a flop tho ?
Morientes -no argument there,but Cisse?
1st real season,17 for us,4 for France,aint too shabby.Him and Rafa appear to have a problem,but a lot of that came from the Owen fiasco at the start of the season.He's out of position and yet bar the FA semi he's done pretty well in the latter part of the season.
There was another frenchman a while back who was played out of position and was pretty woeful in his first season,aint been too bad since
Morientes -no argument there,but Cisse?
1st real season,17 for us,4 for France,aint too shabby.Him and Rafa appear to have a problem,but a lot of that came from the Owen fiasco at the start of the season.He's out of position and yet bar the FA semi he's done pretty well in the latter part of the season.
There was another frenchman a while back who was played out of position and was pretty woeful in his first season,aint been too bad since
I wouldn't necessarily brand Cisse a flop, hence I valued him at £5m+. Personally I wouldn't sell him because I think with his pace he could solve Liverpool's problem on the rightwing, he looked OK there in the CL qualifiers.
However, it does seem that Benetiz isn't a big fan and I think he might listen to offers around that mark. For me Cisse's finishing is (literally) hit and miss, he's not 100% reliable when he gets a sight of goal.
Part of the reason I think Fowler has been given a new contract is because none of the 'big 3' (Morientes, Crouch, Cisse) seem to be the kind of devastating finisher you find in most top sides. They will all get there share of goals and contribute to the play, but on the evidence of what I've seen they are not going to be getting 20 premiership goals a season.
Morientes is a strange one, because in 18 months he still hasn't really taken off. On paper I thought he was a great buy; lots of experience, good in the air, strong, good finishing (golden boot winner in the previous CL) and reasonable pace. His reputation means that some spanish club will be sure to find a few quid for him, so maybe it's time for Liverpool to just cut their losses :/ Very bizarre because I thought his game would suit the premiership down the ground.
However, it does seem that Benetiz isn't a big fan and I think he might listen to offers around that mark. For me Cisse's finishing is (literally) hit and miss, he's not 100% reliable when he gets a sight of goal.
Part of the reason I think Fowler has been given a new contract is because none of the 'big 3' (Morientes, Crouch, Cisse) seem to be the kind of devastating finisher you find in most top sides. They will all get there share of goals and contribute to the play, but on the evidence of what I've seen they are not going to be getting 20 premiership goals a season.
Morientes is a strange one, because in 18 months he still hasn't really taken off. On paper I thought he was a great buy; lots of experience, good in the air, strong, good finishing (golden boot winner in the previous CL) and reasonable pace. His reputation means that some spanish club will be sure to find a few quid for him, so maybe it's time for Liverpool to just cut their losses :/ Very bizarre because I thought his game would suit the premiership down the ground.
He's also scored a helluva lotta goals in the CL.BoomAM said:
to be honest milan don't need any attackers, they need new defenders - thats been said enough though i think
. but if henry does i wouldnt be complain from a fans pov! if he is going to leave (i dont think he will) then he will go to barca. as with raul, i don't rate him any more. hes the complete opposite of what he used to be - anyone remember morientes and raul together? in club and int football - deadly. hes 28/29 now, an age where players peak, and already its like hes past it!
Don’t agree on Cisse, yes he has pace in abundance but his fist touch is rubbish, he can cross the ball mind, but his attidude is all wrong, even with the owen fiasco theres no need to be like he is, typical frenchman eh!
Im with hangtime tho, we will get nowhere near what we should for most of the cast-offs, valuations are one thing, but it depends if anyone wants them, and also I thought diouf was still on our books.
Morientes was the biggest disappointment for me, but I think a lot of foreigners struggle in the northwest, look at the likes veron,kleberson et al, I mean morientes goes from Madrid to Monaco to Liverpool, bit of a culture shock there!
On the topic of Raul, the lad has been playing top level football for too long, burnout has been inevitable, i think the same unfortunately will happen to the likes of Owen and Rooney, too much pressure for too long.
Im with hangtime tho, we will get nowhere near what we should for most of the cast-offs, valuations are one thing, but it depends if anyone wants them, and also I thought diouf was still on our books.
Morientes was the biggest disappointment for me, but I think a lot of foreigners struggle in the northwest, look at the likes veron,kleberson et al, I mean morientes goes from Madrid to Monaco to Liverpool, bit of a culture shock there!
On the topic of Raul, the lad has been playing top level football for too long, burnout has been inevitable, i think the same unfortunately will happen to the likes of Owen and Rooney, too much pressure for too long.
The only thing I will say in favour with Cisse is that he's scored more than Morientes and Crouch while mainly been a bench player. If we can get someone with equivalent pace who'll score about the same from the bench then let him go.
Just been reading about Liverpool supposedly looking to buy SWP, can't see it myself though I would like him at the club.
Just been reading about Liverpool supposedly looking to buy SWP, can't see it myself though I would like him at the club.
I know what your saying about Dudek, but in January we had offers rumoured of around £2m for him. As for Cisse they will surely get £7m+ for him, he's still only 24, he has scored 18 goals for Liverpool and he is a good player just not suited to Liverpool's style of play. Beattie went for £6m, Baros for £6.5m and imo he is better than both of those.HangTime said:
The wages situation shouldn't be too much of a problem as only Morientes will be on big money (and even he is on a pay as you play basis).
Rumour has it that JM will refuse to sell any of his players to Liverpool and Arsenal.wohoo said:
But i would much prefer SWP than Pennant or Victor.