Ok, let me ask one question before we continue this conversation. You are saying when you run your Vega 56 card in balance mode (Which is the default stock setting of Vega cards) Your card runs at 1632Mhz. Not just for the first couple of minutes, but, for your the majority of your gaming time?
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Ok, let me ask one question before we continue this conversation. You are saying when you run your Vega 56 card in balance mode (Which is the default stock setting of Vega cards) Your card runs at 1632Mhz. Not just for the first couple of minutes, but, for your the majority of your gaming time?
Caporegime
I never said that it would run majority. I always made the stipulation it doesn't.
Being pedantic it doesn't run the 1546 stable.
Associate
i never said gaming, my screenshot clearly shows vegas pro, under stable conditions for the boost clock to be active.. but yes in default setting as described with vegas pro.
edit: i have also seen it in a few gaming scenarios whereby the volts are lowered and the clocks are stock, manual fan to.
apologies i misunderstood your spanner
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there is no load on the GPU. What is that supposed to prove?
And again, you are talking about custom settings, lowering the volts and manual fan.
Associate
yes there is load on the gpu, look at it again... i can render it for you and get 100% load perfectly stable with the boost.
i am talking separately about the manual stuff in an edit to not confuse.
ok to clear any confusion scenario 1:
stock card, running as when received, will achieve boost of 1632 when rendering in vegas pro.
scenario 2:
voltage and fan adjusted card with stock clocks will achieve boost of 1632 in some games.
either way, it still proves the card does boost to 1632 in the right circumstances which was what and is still what martini is saying, the stock boost appears to actually be higher than advertised.
I am sorry, but, you have a Vega 56 card? And you are running it in default Balance mode with no changes? IF that is the case, how are you getting a boost of 1632? It's peak boost is 1592.
And, scenario 1: The picture shows the Vega card with barely any load and about 30 seconds after starting.
Scenario 2: Is custom settings. I know it will boost higher with adjustments to voltage and fan speed.
But, never mind that. Just do a simple test, put your card in the default, balanced mode and run heaven/superposition or some other benchmark for a while. Your card won't be running at 1532 nevermind 1632.
The boost clocks advertised are the ones that the card will actually do the work at. The card might spike up to that peak figure when there is very little load or at the beginning of a benchmark, but it won't stay there, because it's not designed to in stock settings. In fact, under load it probably won't even reach the advertised speeds.
IF you didn't know what the stock clocks were and there were no custom settings, what would you do to find out the clocks? Remember, those peak values were hidden by AMD when Vega was first released.
And, sorry again. But, this whole discussion started because you said that Vega's clocks were 1600+ and that you consider it underclocking only reaching 1600 Mhz in custom mode. Since you are running at 1600 all the time, that implies that you must think the stock clock is 1632 the majority of the time? How can it be stock clocks if it can't hold those clocks for the majority of the time?
The 1632 in default mode is a peak. It has something to do with the adaptive power scaling that Vega uses. It's room for the boost to jump up to. It's not the boost that the card runs at for the majority of the time.
And surely if you are running at higher frequency for the majority of time over the stock settings, that's an overclock?
You aren't been pedantic, you are been correct, the advertised stock speeds are best case scenario for AMD. Most reviews found they didn't reach those speeds.
Associate
you seem to be really failing to grasp this, so let me be more specific, i run undervolted normally but i changed it to the default settings just to test it out and hey presto does the same thing.... it does run at 1632 and 1532 no problem, albeit not for very long in the 1632 range, however it still does. i think you maybe are missing the point of this whole conversation.
Caporegime
Significant, 40-50% better performance give or take a few %.
When i tested on launch day my Vega 64 Liquid was 45% faster than my Radeon Pro Duo Liquid running in single GPU mode.
I asked you to do a simple test, change it to balanced mode, stress the card and show the clocks. My 1080ti boosts up to nearly 2300 for a while and sometimes spikes that high during gaming, but, nobody would say that 2300Mhz was the stock clocks.
I am not missing the point of the whole conversation, it started from this statement.
Caporegime
How can 1546 be considered the stock clock then when it can't sustain it under default settings.
Pretty sure this is all pedantry based on what someone considers stock.
I never once said that 1632 was sustained at default settings. But default settings would also be referred to as stock settings.
Pretty sure this is all pedantry based on what someone considers stock.
I never once said that 1632 was sustained at default settings. But default settings would also be referred to as stock settings.
Associate
you never asked me that at all, think you need to go back and reread the conversation. however i will post a pick tonight when i get home to show you with some load. no one said it was sustained in fact we all pointed out that with the correct temps etc it boosts that high, but i specifically said not in gaming.
I went from Fury to Vega 64 and it is a very nice upgrade indeed. I averaged 44% increase in FPS across my games before Christmas. Drivers should be even faster now.
Associate
again i never mentioned gaming
go find the vegas pro quote.clearly those clocks wont be maintained in gaming as the default 1546 clocks ant maintained due to poor high voltages and less than optimal fan control in a default setting.
again thats not the point.
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Soldato
Oh dear this conversation is like trying to open a locked door with a handfull of cooked spaghetti.
Soldato
No one said it was spaghetti in fact we all pointed out that with the correct pasta etc you would be able to unlock the door with raw rigatoni