The Ryzen 5 3600 Discussion Thread

TNA · 1 Nov 2019 at 21:31

Ok, can confirm upgrading to 1.0.0.4 did not make any difference to my RAM issue. Pretty sure now the issue is the RAM itself, otherwise why would only just 1 stick work and 3 others not?

Now need to do some tests on the new BIOS

To get both sticks running I need to go manual and loosen the tRas from 54 to 60. So far doing a quick test that seems to solve the issue. But only way to know for sure is to run memtest for many hours or over night even. But I do know it makes a difference as without loosening that timing I get errors nearly as soon as I run memtest.

Edit: Can confirm there is zero difference in scores running the cpu on stock vs before and after the bios flash on cinebench. Well there is, 2 points slower on the new bios, but that is within margin of error, so basically as I said, no difference.

Now running the single core benchmark. Results are in, it went up from 484 to 486. Yay! Lol

Ok so no difference in performance for me guys. But hopefully will see many other benefits from the 100 improvements that was mentioned.

TNA · 1 Nov 2019 at 22:23

Here you go guys. My results fresh of the bench

As you can see, nothing special at all. Basically it is my my RAM running everything like XMP, but loosened tRas from 54 to 60 to stop getting errors.

This is my CPU running at stock:

My 4.4GHz all core OC that so far has been stable:

And for fun, a run at 4.5GHz all core, but I do not use this, nor have I tested it for 24/7 stability like I have my 4.4GHz OC.

My RAM score may suck a little, but try beating my CPU scores

gpuerrilla · 1 Nov 2019 at 23:19

OK I updated the BIOS thinking it was the new 1.0.0.4 but it was still 0.3 just 'improved stability' ho hum. Anyhow I upped the memory more in the XMP profile to 3200 and slight increase in the score:

Orange Nexus · 2 Nov 2019 at 07:05

TNA said:
Yep. I used Thaiphoon Burner before and that says B-Die. That is why I am confused a bit as people here seem to go on about b-die like it is comething special

I think I posted screen shots of it here before to Panos to look at.

So according to DRAM Calculator my RAM has potential to OC to 4110MHz, yet can only do 3000MHz. Got to be really unlucky here or my other thought is something the auto settings on my mobo is doing is working out great for overclocking my cpu, but having the opposite impact on my ram.

Maybe TB is not reading the die correctly. I used it on my Ripjaw before, too, and then again a few days ago and readings are different.

https://i.imgur.com/O1WVHpW.jpg

From M-die 25nm to C-die 18nm. Unless when i reseated it, now it is reading one that is a different die. But i bought them as a kit.

TNA · 2 Nov 2019 at 07:16

Orange Nexus said:
Maybe TB is not reading the die correctly. I used it on my Ripjaw before, too, and then again a few days ago and readings are different.

https://i.imgur.com/O1WVHpW.jpg

From M-die 25nm to C-die 18nm. Unless when i reseated it, now it is reading one that is a different die. But i bought them as a kit.

It is possible. Either that, or they are b-die but the rejects.

Don’t forget, I am not exceeding 1.35v, some of you guys are on much higher voltage and I am sure I could achieve much better results if I did. But first I want Corsair to provide me with a pair of sticks that work as advertised. I don’t know much about overclocking ram and not sure I want to go over 1.35v.

Orange Nexus · 2 Nov 2019 at 07:51

TNA said:
It is possible. Either that, or they are b-die but the rejects.

Don’t forget, I am not exceeding 1.35v, some of you guys are on much higher voltage and I am sure I could achieve much better results if I did. But first I want Corsair to provide me with a pair of sticks that work as advertised. I don’t know much about overclocking ram and not sure I want to go over 1.35v.

I've read DDR4 can use up to 1.45v or even 1.5v. Same here, im only willing to go as high as 1.37v. Should not hurt the RAM, so long as we keep the temp in check. I think i used 1.42v for 3733MHz.

RavenXXX2 · 2 Nov 2019 at 12:45

TNA said:
Thanks Raven, that is quite a bit better than mine. Your one seems to excel at memory write and memory threaded and has slightly better latency.

What RAM and settings you got there?

Just some corsair 3333Mhz B die stuff OC to 3733 CL16 with optimised sub timings @ 1.44V

Where did you buy your 3600?

humbug · 2 Nov 2019 at 12:47

TNA said:
It is possible. Either that, or they are b-die but the rejects.

Don’t forget, I am not exceeding 1.35v, some of you guys are on much higher voltage and I am sure I could achieve much better results if I did. But first I want Corsair to provide me with a pair of sticks that work as advertised. I don’t know much about overclocking ram and not sure I want to go over 1.35v.

I'm running 1.44v, it not stable at anything less, that's not too high for Ryzen.

zx128k · 2 Nov 2019 at 12:59

Orange Nexus said:
I've read DDR4 can use up to 1.45v or even 1.5v. Same here, im only willing to go as high as 1.37v. Should not hurt the RAM, so long as we keep the temp in check. I think i used 1.42v for 3733MHz.

That is likely Samsung b-die, example 8-pack's ram kits. It's not a general rule. Just be careful, that's all I am saying. Check temps and keep good air flow over the ram sticks. The maximum for xmp 2.0 appears to be 1.5 volts and some kits require that voltage.

“1.5v is the absolute max we allow for XMP certifications. However, good DDR4 memory will run at 1.35v up to 3200. Technically, no “safe” (guaranteed) OC over-voltage but 1.35v or lower is best.” – Intel

1.2V or lower = Best for DDR4

1.35V = okay voltage for overclocking kits example example https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...00c19-4000mhz-dual-channel-kit-my-4bj-cs.html

1.4V normal for high frequency RAM or tighten timings for Ryzen Example https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/326/1562839044/F4-3600C14D-16GTZN-Specification https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html

1.45V higher frequency with tighter timings example https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...4500mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-09a-tg.html https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.sk...l-channel-kit-gold-f4-4600c18d-my-11a-gs.html

1.5V =absolute max voltage allowed for Intel XMP 2.0 profiles and max suggested voltage example https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/Categ...lpx-black/p/CMK16GX4M2Z5000C18#tab-tech-specs

TNA · 2 Nov 2019 at 14:10

humbug said:
I'm running 1.44v, it not stable at anything less, that's not too high for Ryzen.

Bloody hell. I am sure mine would be stable at that voltage also. But corsair says not to go over 1.35v.

RavenXXX2 said:
Just some corsair 3333Mhz B die stuff OC to 3733 CL16 with optimised sub timings @ 1.44V

Where did you buy your 3600?

From a competitor so can't say. PM me if you want and I tell you. What I can say is, always buy retail boxes.

Does your ram have the big heat spreaders or the small ones?

RavenXXX2 · 2 Nov 2019 at 14:28

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/vengeancergb

That stuff, ram does not get hot with day to day use, running memtest for 24 hours in another story.

TNA · 2 Nov 2019 at 14:33

RavenXXX2 said:
https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/vengeancergb

That stuff, ram does not get hot with day to day use, running memtest for 24 hours in another story.

I am happy with 4 runs on memtest.

My ram has very small heat spreaders. But my case is well ventilated.

humbug · 2 Nov 2019 at 14:43

TNA said:
Bloody hell. I am sure mine would be stable at that voltage also. But corsair says not to go over 1.35v.

Do they? they also have a lift time warranty on their RAM.... ignore them, 1.35v is the base voltage for XMP, no long term harm will come to those DIMMs at 1.45v.

PowerPie5000 · 2 Nov 2019 at 22:27

I've not had any RAM issues with the Ryzen 5 3600. I have 16 GB of HyperX Predator RAM rated at 3200 (Hynix J-Die), but I'm running it at 3333, CL16, 1.35V and it's been perfectly fine. That's with an Asrock X470 Taichi board using their current BIOS version 3.60.

The only complaint I have are the temps and voltage for my Ryzen 3600 chip. It hits around 77C when gaming and that's with the chip running stock and with one of the best air coolers available (Noctua NH-U12A) and good case cooling. The voltages reach 1.450V when the cores hit 4.2GHz. the voltage hovers around 1.375V when all cores are being used at 4.05GHz.

TNA · 3 Nov 2019 at 02:45

PowerPie5000 said:
I've not had any RAM issues with the Ryzen 5 3600. I have 16 GB of HyperX Predator RAM rated at 3200 (Hynix J-Die), but I'm running it at 3333, CL16, 1.35V and it's been perfectly fine. That's with an Asrock X470 Taichi board using their current BIOS version 3.60.

The only complaint I have are the temps and voltage for my Ryzen 3600 chip. It hits around 77C when gaming and that's with the chip running stock and with one of the best air coolers available (Noctua NH-U12A) and good case cooling. The voltages reach 1.450V when the cores hit 4.2GHz. the voltage hovers around 1.375V when all cores are being used at 4.05GHz.

Ryzen Master is your friend. Run it and set all cores to 4.2GHz or at least 3 of them and other 3 on 4Ghz and the set voltage to 1.275v. Then test for stability and keep lowering voltage. It will run much cooler. Now I am told my cpu is very good silicon so it could be why it works for me at low voltages, but my 4.2GHz all core in Ryzen Master runs fine at 1.175v which does wonders for my temps. No spikes in temps due to it pumping in silly voltages in like 1.45v.

Orange Nexus · 3 Nov 2019 at 06:37

PowerPie5000 said:
I've not had any RAM issues with the Ryzen 5 3600. I have 16 GB of HyperX Predator RAM rated at 3200 (Hynix J-Die), but I'm running it at 3333, CL16, 1.35V and it's been perfectly fine. That's with an Asrock X470 Taichi board using their current BIOS version 3.60.

The only complaint I have are the temps and voltage for my Ryzen 3600 chip. It hits around 77C when gaming and that's with the chip running stock and with one of the best air coolers available (Noctua NH-U12A) and good case cooling. The voltages reach 1.450V when the cores hit 4.2GHz. the voltage hovers around 1.375V when all cores are being used at 4.05GHz.

Got a U12S on my 3600 but i replaced the fan with 2 Cougar fans. Stock or 4.2 all core oc Gaming temp gets to 65c. Prime small fft tops out at 75c.

Try to undervolt. Start with -0.03v.

Joxeon · 3 Nov 2019 at 09:26

Orange Nexus said:
Got a U12S on my 3600 but i replaced the fan with 2 Cougar fans. Stock or 4.2 all core oc Gaming temp gets to 65c. Prime small fft tops out at 75c.

Try to undervolt. Start with -0.03v.

I'm using a wraith prism on my 3600 and gaming temps are about 50c while cinebench r15 goes up to 65c that's with a 4.2 all core @ 1.325v.

Stock gives the same 50c gaming temps but cinebench runs 5c hotted and scores 100 points less than the all core oc.

TNA · 3 Nov 2019 at 09:34

Joxeon said:
I'm using a wraith prism on my 3600 and gaming temps are about 50c while cinebench r15 goes up to 65c that's with a 4.2 all core @ 1.325v.

Stock gives the same 50c gaming temps but cinebench runs 5c hotted and scores 100 points less than the all core oc.

Maybe his cooler is not making proper contact then.

Orange Nexus · 3 Nov 2019 at 10:25

Joxeon said:
I'm using a wraith prism on my 3600 and gaming temps are about 50c while cinebench r15 goes up to 65c that's with a 4.2 all core @ 1.325v.

Stock gives the same 50c gaming temps but cinebench runs 5c hotted and scores 100 points less than the all core oc.

The Prism is really a very capable cooler for a 65w 6-core cpu. Some third party coolers do not cover the IHS of Ryzen properly. It also depends on ambient. Winter is a welcome sight to some.

My 65w 2700, which does not have issue with location of die stays at 50c gaming with a Spire cooler. The Air 540 does help, tho.

gpuerrilla · 3 Nov 2019 at 10:38

TNA said:
Ryzen Master is your friend. Run it and set all cores to 4.2GHz or at least 3 of them and other 3 on 4Ghz and the set voltage to 1.275v. Then test for stability and keep lowering voltage. It will run much cooler. Now I am told my cpu is very good silicon so it could be why it works for me at low voltages, but my 4.2GHz all core in Ryzen Master runs fine at 1.175v which does wonders for my temps. No spikes in temps due to it pumping in silly voltages in like 1.45v.

Orange Nexus said:
Try to undervolt. Start with -0.03v.

Guys I was going to play with the undervolting. Then I watched this I think on Friday and made me think about doing more research.