• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

The Ryzen 5 3600 Discussion Thread

@Th0nt This was exactly my experience right now. Tried 1.3 volts. Cinebench wouldn't start. Tried 1.35v, it started but existed like 4 seconds in. It completed on 1.375v

@humbug I was getting different voltage readings between CPU-Z and Master. Obviously if it is going to 1.4 something is wrong: https://i.imgur.com/30jfyOd.png

How to clarify? HWInfo64?
 
GregI said:
@Th0nt This was exactly my experience right now. Tried 1.3 volts. Cinebench wouldn't start. Tried 1.35v, it started but existed like 4 seconds in. It completed on 1.375v

@humbug I was getting different voltage readings between CPU-Z and Master. Obviously if it is going to 1.4 something is wrong: https://i.imgur.com/30jfyOd.png

How to clarify? HWInfo64?
Click to expand...

Ryzen Master is the one to trust over CPU-Z, HWInfo64 might be just as accurate, as i have explained earlier my CPU-Z is also hitching inaccurate volt readings at me but not as bad as that.

The one to trust as i said is Ryzen Master, and with that you completed a run at 4.1Ghz with the right score for those clocks at 1.375v, that's better than my chip / board.
 
GregI said:
HWInfo was giving me 1.337v. On the 4th test, CineBench crashed so gonna up it very slightly and try Overwatch for 10 minutes. If still fps drops, back to stock I go!

https://i.imgur.com/ZS7GN5d.png
Click to expand...

lol... i shouldn't laugh but.... anywho i would trust Ryzen Master, you would think AMD know how to make software read the volts of their own CPU's.

In any case if your CPU is stable at that i would leave it, that's not bad.

Edit, when you're playing games keep your eye on GPU percentage utilization, if its not dipping below 90% its not the CPU.
 
Having just bought a 3600, coming from INTEL 3930k, is PBO turned on automatically or do I need to turn it on somewhere?

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £509.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
​

I bought these parts.
 
GregI said:
HWInfo was giving me 1.337v. On the 4th test, CineBench crashed so gonna up it very slightly and try Overwatch for 10 minutes. If still fps drops, back to stock I go!

https://i.imgur.com/ZS7GN5d.png
Click to expand...

I only have an Asus B350F Strix with my 3600 (nonX) and the following screenshots are just example of oc'ing to 4GHz using BIOS. What is not shown is i set LLC to HIGH under DIGI+VRM. I highlighted the Vcore in HWINFO, so it is easy to see.

https://i.imgur.com/IkuL2VC.png

Idle

https://i.imgur.com/FpwvTUs.png

Loaded

https://i.imgur.com/5Bo072i.png

Again, this is just an example.
 
subbytna said:
Having just bought a 3600, coming from INTEL 3930k, is PBO turned on automatically or do I need to turn it on somewhere?

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £509.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)
​

I bought these parts.
Click to expand...


PBO should be in the BIOS somewhere, i'm not familiar with that board and it might not make much if any difference, they will only boost upto 4.2Ghz out of the box anyway and all PBO does is allow the CPU to draw more power and amps, the 3600 generally doesn't hit those stock limits anyway.
 
@humbug Played OW at 4.1Ghz and it maybe increased fps by like 3. Was still seeing dips down to 230 so went back to stock and ran cinebench just to see the stock voltages. This brought up something I didn't notice and might be the trick to understanding the issue.

4.1Ghz Ryzen Master: https://i.imgur.com/d1czmQX.png
Stock Ryzen Master: https://i.imgur.com/3Pptnmi.png

Temps are within ranges based on similar voltages.
The speeds as previously discussed are lower but we knew that.
PPT has taken a ridiculous rise to amber?????
CPU power seems fine as does SOC
TDC has went up 50% but still green
EDC has went up 35%

PPT, TDC and EDC being so drastically higher makes me think this is the problem. They are so high that the boost algorithm isn't kicking in. I have no idea what could be causing this but I'm pretty sure having an amber reading on stock for PPT is bad but it's way better when overclocked, lol.
 
GregI said:
@Th0nt This was exactly my experience right now. Tried 1.3 volts. Cinebench wouldn't start. Tried 1.35v, it started but existed like 4 seconds in. It completed on 1.375v
Click to expand...

As said, use RM for readings as other software has only started to catch up with accuraccy. In BIOS as @Orange Nexus posted - you may stop voltage fluctuations with a setting tweak. At least you know its near to 1.35 before a core crashes out.
 
Last edited:
GregI said:
@humbug Played OW at 4.1Ghz and it maybe increased fps by like 3. Was still seeing dips down to 230 so went back to stock and ran cinebench just to see the stock voltages. This brought up something I didn't notice and might be the trick to understanding the issue.

4.1Ghz Ryzen Master: https://i.imgur.com/d1czmQX.png
Stock Ryzen Master: https://i.imgur.com/3Pptnmi.png

Temps are within ranges based on similar voltages.
The speeds as previously discussed are lower but we knew that.
PPT has taken a ridiculous rise to amber?????
CPU power seems fine as does SOC
TDC has went up 50% but still green
EDC has went up 35%

PPT, TDC and EDC being so drastically higher makes me think this is the problem. They are so high that the boost algorithm isn't kicking in. I have no idea what could be causing this but I'm pretty sure having an amber reading on stock for PPT is bad but it's way better when overclocked, lol.
Click to expand...

Your SoC volts are way too high. WTF Asus???? they should be no more than 1.2v at the absolute most, you shouldn't be running that at more than 1.15v 24/7 really.... bring it down to that.

IKOuADk.png
 
The memory controller (VDDCR SOC) could be overheating and throttling with 1.36v and that could cause it to switch to half speed mode as a way to protect its self, that might cause FPS dips.

I'm still interested to see what your GPU is doing, that could be critical to answering a lot of questions.
 
@humbug Just to be sure. SOC is not the same as VDDR SOC? SOC is set to Auto and apparently 1.1v in BIOS

I did an F9 search in the BIOS and I have these options for VDDCR SOC

VDDCR CPU Load Line = Auto
VDDCR CPU Power Phase = Optimized
VDDCR CPU Switching Frequency = 300

What to change them to?
 
Last edited:
3600X is back in its box and a 3700X is now in. I am getting 4.3Ghz all core at 1.32v.

My questions to anyone here, are these 3600x 3700x CPUs worth keeping at 4.3Ghz with a locked voltage when they boost to 4.4GHz at stock with power saving features.
 
No, if its boosting higher than your overclock leave it at stock ^^^^^

GregI said:
@humbug Just to be sure. SOC is not the same as VDDR SOC? SOC is set to Auto and apparently 1.1v in BIOS

I did an F9 search in the BIOS and I have these options for VDDCR SOC

VDDCR CPU Load Line = Auto
VDDCR CPU power Phase = Optimized

What to change them to?
Click to expand...

SoC is Socket on Chip, usually this is the iGPU, or it would be with Intel, in that sense AMD's architecture is different, they use Unified Memory Architecture (nUMA) for Heterogeneous System Architecture (HSA), its legacy from APU's, both the CPU and GPU are unified so the GPU can accelerate work normally done of the CPU, even though 'these' Ryzen aren't an APU it shares that architecture. so the IMC is part of the SoC even if the rest of the SoC is missing.

I'm rambling.... VDDR SOC and SOC in the BIOS and RM are the same thing. If you look at your own screenshot see where i have highlighted the VDDCR SOC (SoC) ? that's too high it should read between 1.1 and 1.2v, compare it to mine a couple posts up. If its set to 1.1v in the BIOS maybe the load line calibration is too high, try setting that to manual and Normal.

epdhJK7.png
 
humbug said:
No, if its boosting higher than your overclock leave it at stock ^^^^^



SoC is Socket on Chip, usually this is the iGPU, or it would be with Intel, in that sense AMD's architecture is different, they use Unified Memory Architecture (nUMA) for Heterogeneous System Architecture (HSA), its legacy from APU's, both the CPU and GPU are unified so the GPU can accelerate work normally done of the CPU, even though 'these' Ryzen aren't an APU it shares that architecture. so the IMC is part of the SoC even if the rest of the SoC is missing.

I'm rambling.... VDDR SOC and SOC in the BIOS and RM are the same thing. If you look at your own screenshot see where i have highlighted the VDDCR SOC (SoC) ? that's too high it should read between 1.1 and 1.2v, compare it to mine a couple posts up. If its set to 1.1v in the BIOS maybe the load line calibration is too high, try setting that to manual and Normal.

epdhJK7.png
Click to expand...

Stock it is then! My 3600X boosted to 4.4Ghz at stock too so I didn't bother overclocking it. Gonna give the 3700X a ride for a few days then maybe lob my 3600X on MM.
 
subbytna said:
Having just bought a 3600, coming from INTEL 3930k, is PBO turned on automatically or do I need to turn it on somewhere?

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £509.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)
​

I bought these parts.
Click to expand...

It will depend sample to sample, how well the CPU will react to PBO.

Set PBO to Manual, with values of PPT 142 TDC 95 EDC 140. You should also so an option to overide clock boost, I could use +150MHz on my R5 3600. Also there should be a scalar option, I used 6x.

My R5 3600 was water cooled, could hit ~4.3xGHz all cores in situations where ~60W was pulled through CPU. It was better this way for boost than an R7 3700X I also had. So cool the CPU well and if it's a good sample the PBO settings will make it like a R5 3600X.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom