The Ryzen 5 3600 Discussion Thread

[TNA]

Thoughts guys - is the 3700X worth the extra £81, over the 3600X ?

Depends on use case and how long before next upgrade. If just gaming and browsing etc then get 3600. Then upgrade to a 4600 or 4800 or whatever in the future. If no plans on upgrading and keeping it for 5 years, it might even be worth scratching to a 3900X.

Personally I will wait until Zen 3 or even 4 maybe until I go for a 12 or 16 core myself. By then they will have got higher clocks.

 

[kaiserc]

Thoughts guys - is the 3700X worth the extra £81, over the 3600X?

There is no point in getting the 3600x it's just more expensive for very little performance increase that you can get by tweaking the 3600.
This is more an 8core vs 6 cores decision- both the 3600 and the 3700x are great CPU - it's more about the type of applications /games your going to be using it for, and if those applications and games will use all the threads.

 

[RBImGuy]

Thoughts guys - is the 3700X worth the extra £81, over the 3600X ?

For rendering/encoding, yes.
Gaming, not really.

 

[kayone]

What speed memory are people pairing with their 3600? I've read the sweet spot is 3600mhz (1800mhz - along with the same for the fabric clock), so I have my mem overclocked to that, but cannot really say if this has increased performance or not.

 

[jay13bry]

Temperatures for the 3600X are all over the show.

I returned my 3600X as it never went above 4.2 - even on latest beta bios from MSI (b450 pro cabron ac).

I got a replacement 3600 from a different vendor and..... got a 3600X , looks like the rainforest place dont always know EXACTLY what they are looking for.

Temperatures vary from 34 deg C Idle to 63 deg C idle whilst literally doing nothing. I left my pc to just sit there, all updates disabled and it still ramped up then fans now and then.

That being said on a semi custom AIO with Kyronaught applied its not gone above 81 after 12 hours of testing. Im happy with that.


STILL CANT GET 4.4Ghz on a single core though. never, ever seen it go above 4.25 on any core, even when using a single threaded app.

Anyone having more success?

 

[jay13bry]

What speed memory are people pairing with their 3600? I've read the sweet spot is 3600mhz (1800mhz - along with the same for the fabric clock), so I have my mem overclocked to that, but cannot really say if this has increased performance or not.

Im running 3200 mhz C16 ( Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB) and its spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CloyuBw_E_0
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This video is REALLY worth a watch. It applies to the 3900X and the lower cache on the 3600(x) might mean it could benefit a little more on faster ram but honestly for the difference in performance vs the difference in price I wouldnt bother.

Best bang for buck though id say is the 8Pack DDR4 3200mhz @ CL14 on sale at the moment on here.

 

[Orange Nexus]

Some Reviewers used RTX 2080 Ti in their tests and maybe not intending to show how the R5 3600 can handle a 1200£ GPU. This little Ryzen may not be a good match to this GPU price wise but definitely is when it comes to pushing it.

 

[DragonQ]

Some Reviewers used RTX 2080 Ti in their tests and maybe not intending to show how the R5 3600 can handle a 1200£ GPU. This little Ryzen may not be a good match to this GPU price wise but definitely not when it comes to pushing it.

I was going to ask what's faster, an RTX 2080 Ti + R5 3600 or RTX 2080 S + R9 3900X, but I didn't realise the 2080 Ti was like £400 more than the 2080 S. Insane.

 

[Orange Nexus]

I was going to ask what's faster, an RTX 2080 Ti + R5 3600 or RTX 2080 S + R9 3900X, but I didn't realise the 2080 Ti was like £400 more than the 2080 S. Insane.

With an all-AMD system just for gaming, the 3600 is not far behind the other skus. Not by 30%. But if you have a certain budget to meet like your example above, then system with a Ti will be ahead.

 

[gupsterg]

What speed memory are people pairing with their 3600? I've read the sweet spot is 3600mhz (1800mhz - along with the same for the fabric clock), so I have my mem overclocked to that, but cannot really say if this has increased performance or not.

2x8GB 3600MHz using The Stilt 3466MHz timings, 1T Gear Down Mode: [Disabled], I can attain with SOC: 1.031V VDDG: 0.956V VDDP: 0.9V VDIMM: 1.355V.

2x8GB 3800MHz, 1:1:1 (MEMCLK:FCLK:UCLK), Gear Down Mode: [Enabled], I can attain with SOC: 1.068V VDDG: 1.013V VDDP: 0.9V VDIMM: 1.4V.

4x8GB 3800MHz, 1:1:1 (MEMCLK:FCLK:UCLK), Gear Down Mode: [Enabled], still under testing, so far Kahru RAM Test, RealBench stable, gonna run P95 and some encoding soon.

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Temperatures for the 3600X are all over the show.

I returned my 3600X as it never went above 4.2 - even on latest beta bios from MSI (b450 pro cabron ac).

I got a replacement 3600 from a different vendor and..... got a 3600X , looks like the rainforest place dont always know EXACTLY what they are looking for.

Temperatures vary from 34 deg C Idle to 63 deg C idle whilst literally doing nothing. I left my pc to just sit there, all updates disabled and it still ramped up then fans now and then.

That being said on a semi custom AIO with Kyronaught applied its not gone above 81 after 12 hours of testing. Im happy with that.


STILL CANT GET 4.4Ghz on a single core though. never, ever seen it go above 4.25 on any core, even when using a single threaded app.

Anyone having more success?

Ryzen had 20 on die temp sensors, as no averaging is done you see the highest value, as 3xxx series is on 7nm and small die the heat density is high, so TBH the sporadic jumps are higher on it than 1xxx/2xxx.

Latest Ryzen Master is supposed to show temp with averaging. As to fans ramping on ASUS boards I've used there is a fan smoothing options, where you set a time value for fans not to react to sporadic jumps of temp. Perhaps check your UEFI for options to change fan profile.

 

[jay13bry]

Ryzen had 20 on die temp sensors, as no averaging is done you see the highest value, as 3xxx series is on 7nm and small die the heat density is high, so TBH the sporadic jumps are higher on it than 1xxx/2xxx.

Latest Ryzen Master is supposed to show temp with averaging. As to fans ramping on ASUS boards I've used there is a fan smoothing options, where you set a time value for fans not to react to sporadic jumps of temp. Perhaps check your UEFI for options to change fan profile.

ive been reading up on that and that would explain the issue. Ive just done a BIOS update to the latest spec, updated Ryzen master and also gone and updated the AMD Chipset drivers too.

Im on a B450 Pro Carbon which is MSI, not ASUS. The basic bios they are using atm on the BETA bios and release bios for Ryzen 3000 is horrid, its like being back in 2005. Also every time I restart I have to clear CMOS... because BIOS issues.


MSI command centre works well but here the issue is that it doenst load my fan profiles until I tell it to, so startup is very loud.

Currently sat idle at 33 deg C though.

 

[kayone]

ive been reading up on that and that would explain the issue. Ive just done a BIOS update to the latest spec, updated Ryzen master and also gone and updated the AMD Chipset drivers too.

Im on a B450 Pro Carbon which is MSI, not ASUS. The basic bios they are using atm on the BETA bios and release bios for Ryzen 3000 is horrid, its like being back in 2005. Also every time I restart I have to clear CMOS... because BIOS issues.


MSI command centre works well but here the issue is that it doenst load my fan profiles until I tell it to, so startup is very loud.

Currently sat idle at 33 deg C though.

I have the same motherboard don't have the CMOS issue fortunately, that sounds a pain. I'm using the '17M' (Beta BIOS) which you're right, it's horrible to use. They have since released 18 if you haven't tried that yet - that may help your CMOS issue.

 

[jay13bry]

I have the same motherboard don't have the CMOS issue fortunately, that sounds a pain. I'm using the '17M' (Beta BIOS) which you're right, it's horrible to use. They have since released 18 if you haven't tried that yet - that may help your CMOS issue.

Updated to 18 last night - its not been too bad. Dont have the CMOS on restart issue any more. However my Corsair Light Display kit now wont sync with Mystic Light but the normal ram does

 

[kayone]

Updated to 18 last night - its not been too bad. Dont have the CMOS on restart issue any more. However my Corsair Light Display kit now wont sync with Mystic Light but the normal ram does

Have they changed back to the 'normal looking' BIOS in 18?

 

[jay13bry]

Have they changed back to the 'normal looking' BIOS in 18?

Nope, still an absolute dog's dinner.

I've had much better stability though, apart from mystic light.

Temperature readings from Ryzen Master with the update on both the chipset driver and the master software itself has made a big difference too.

Still I am stuck at a core ratio of 4.25, which is confirmed by cpuz and Ryzen master. Any change up or down and it won't even post and your into clearing cmos again.

Wondering if X570 owners are having this issue.

 

[melmac]

Having just moved from a great overclocking CPU in my R7 1700 I'm curious as to what people are achieving with their new R5 3600? I'm yet to have a proper go at mine.

What Motherboard?
What Volts?
Highest stable Clock Speed?
Temperature?

I am considering getting the 3600, currently have a 1700. Has the change been worth it for you? Haven't done much research yet, but, did read that some people consider it just a sidegrade??

 

[DragonQ]

Nope, still an absolute dog's dinner.

I've had much better stability though, apart from mystic light.

Temperature readings from Ryzen Master with the update on both the chipset driver and the master software itself has made a big difference too.

Still I am stuck at a core ratio of 4.25, which is confirmed by cpuz and Ryzen master. Any change up or down and it won't even post and your into clearing cmos again.

Wondering if X570 owners are having this issue.

By "stuck at a core ratio" do you mean the CPU isn't downclocking? If so, have you tried manually disabling PBO in the UEFI?

 

[kayone]

I am considering getting the 3600, currently have a 1700. Has the change been worth it for you? Haven't done much research yet, but, did read that some people consider it just a sidegrade??

It's 100% worth the upgrade. My main focus is gaming so dropping cores was no issue for me and to be honest I'm only 300 points give or take from where my [email protected] was to my 3600 @ stock in cinebench multi-thread.

edit: and selling my 1700 to upgrade was around £80.. so easily worth it in my eyes.

 

[Orange Nexus]

I am considering getting the 3600, currently have a 1700. Has the change been worth it for you? Haven't done much research yet, but, did read that some people consider it just a sidegrade??

Yes, if you can sell the 1700. Gen1 and + rely so much to fast RAM speed and tight timings. Ideally 3466 CL14. A that RAM speed, heck, you can pair your 1700 even with a 1080 Ti card easy. Oc the 1700 to at least 3.8GHz.

 

[melmac]

It's 100% worth the upgrade. My main focus is gaming so dropping cores was no issue for me and to be honest I'm only 300 points give or take from where my [email protected] was to my 3600 @ stock in cinebench multi-thread.

edit: and selling my 1700 to upgrade was around £80.. so easily worth it in my eyes.

thanks for the insight. Might upgrade while the OCUK mini sale is on.

Yes, if you can sell the 1700. Gen1 and + rely so much to fast RAM speed and tight timings. Ideally 3466 CL14. A that RAM speed, heck, you can pair your 1700 even with a 1080 Ti card easy. Oc the 1700 to at least 3.8GHz.

I have a 1080Ti at the moment but not the fastest ram. I don't really overclock anymore. I won't be selling the 1700. Moving the Motherboard, Ram and CPU into my UNRaid server and replacing the 2500K setup that's there already.