The Ryzen 5 3600 Discussion Thread

[lord filbuster]

Overclock or not, undervolt or not... I'm with @TNA on this one.

There's no reason not to try and get the most out of your chip. We're all different, and although I'm not a gamer (chasing fps) I do make longer Handbrake runs from time to time. The difference between running Handbrake for longer encodes with everything stock and when manually setting things is like night and day with regards to voltages/temps. I could not do what I'm currently doing (2 hours into a x265 encode at 4300MHz all core) on stock...

I've spent a bit of time tinkering with this cpu and have managed to reach the same speeds at the same voltage as TNA did (4400MHz with a +0.186 offset in BIOS) and it can run for days like that without any problems whatsoever. I am not running with it like that 24/7 though (for the moment) for the simple reason that room temps here in Spain have a tendency to stick at 30C during the day and the case fans I went for does make a bit of noise. My goal is to fine tune both the voltages and my fan curves a bit at a later point, but as I'm currently on a kernel (Linux Mint 20 with kernel 5.4) that does not report Ryzen that well I'd have to boot into Windows for that to happen.

Anyway - I'm not really into this for the actual overclocking. I'm more about lowering voltages, and my goal with all this is to reach a decent clock keeping the voltages (and with that power consumption & heat) as low as possible. So far I've managed to get 4200MHz with +0.084V offset and 4300MHz running on +0.114V - all core. That's about 1.175V & 1.21V.

I do kind of see his point performance wise, for most people the overclock isn't going to be noticeable.

Having said that, I do a bit of encoding as well, and I can get 4.4Ghz prime stable at 1.225v if I fiddle with LLC, which makes a noticeable to encode times compared to stock, as it was only boosting to 4ghz sustained before.

The undervolting is the main advantage for me as well. I can leave it at 4.3Ghz at 1.15v, so it's both faster, mostly from the sustained boost, and it runs about 7-10c cooler than at stock, which is enough to keep the fan noise down a notch. It took about 30 minutes to find a stable voltage, and most of that was me trying to work out how to transfer the overclock I was testing in Ryzen master to the Bios. There's no real reason not to. Sounds like the newer batches of chips are pretty good voltage wise as well.

 

[TNA]

One other benefit I completely forgot to mention when overclocking is getting better memory latency directly as result of overclocking the cpu. Mine improves, also generally get better scores from ram benchmarks vs cpu being at stock. Now a lot of people pay a lot of money for lower latency ram, mostly sighting better gaming performance. So there you have it, pretty much invalidates everything he is saying


Here is my post with my results back from January. My scores now would likely be even better as I read somewhere on the latest windows update/chipset drivers you get a slight boost. So would probably hit 4000 points

Here are my final 24/7 stable benchmark scores that I just ran.

4.4GHz all core at 1.275v:

8Pack B-Die RAM at 3733MHz 16-17-16-32-1T at 1.38v:

Done tinkering and will use it like this for a couple of years now

 

[Zakal]

Hi Everyone

I've just upgraded my PC with a 3600 while waiting for the 4000's to appear as my old 3770k just wasn't cutting it anymore. I've not overclocked an AMD chip for a long long time but I'm getting some nice results after a few hours of playing around with Ryzen Master. So far I've not been able to replicate the OC in the bios so I must be missing something but interestingly I'm finding the best clock and voltage is very close to TNA's above.

Hardware:

Ryzen 3600
H100i AIO (new ML120 RGB fans)
MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk
STRIX-RTX 2060
32GB 8Pack 3600 RAM
1TB Sabrent Rocket NVMe

All core OC to 4.425GHz @ 1.275v
RAM OC to 3733MHz 16-16-16-38

I'm getting 69C when cinebench is running which is cooler than stock at a higher speed! I think I need to play with the RAM a little as I've only set the Infinity Fabric & mem clock to 1866MHz so far (everything else is auto apart from Geardown enabled) so any tips on this would be appreciated.

Let me know what you think!

 

[TNA]

Hi Everyone

I've just upgraded my PC with a 3600 while waiting for the 4000's to appear as my old 3770k just wasn't cutting it anymore. I've not overclocked an AMD chip for a long long time but I'm getting some nice results after a few hours of playing around with Ryzen Master. So far I've not been able to replicate the OC in the bios so I must be missing something but interestingly I'm finding the best clock and voltage is very close to TNA's above.

Hardware:

Ryzen 3600
H100i AIO (new ML120 RGB fans)
MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk
STRIX-RTX 2060
32GB 8Pack 3600 RAM
1TB Sabrent Rocket NVMe

All core OC to 4.425GHz @ 1.275v
RAM OC to 3733MHz 16-16-16-38

I'm getting 69C when cinebench is running which is cooler than stock at a higher speed! I think I need to play with the RAM a little as I've only set the Infinity Fabric & mem clock to 1866MHz so far (everything else is auto apart from Geardown enabled) so any tips on this would be appreciated.

Let me know what you think!

Only thing from the top of my head that I turn off is Spread Spectrum or whatever it is called. Otherwise I enter multiplier toi 44 and voltage to 1.275v and that is it. Maybe try that with your RAM at stock to be sure it aint that causing issues?

 

[Acolyte]

3859 R20 score doesnt sit right for a R5 3600 @ 4.425Ghz, it should be over 4000. Id suggest that CPU overclock isnt quite stable.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Check your board BIOS guys, I did yesterday and ASUS snuck on there a new revision the day before (17th). Not had time to tweak yet but got it flashed, now I have to remember what to try in steps.

 

[Zakal]

I've not had any crashes or stuttering but I'll keep playing, remember this is only at 1.275v - increasing this runs slower with more heat.

Here's some notes I'd taken at various OC's:


CPU Voltage Mem Cinebench
Stock 1800 3310
Auto OC 1800 3224
4.2 1.35 1800 3188
4.45 1.375 1800 3504
4.475 1.375 1800 3514
4.475 1.375 1800 3596
4.475 1.375 1833 3635
4.4 1.3 1833 3614
4.4 1.275 1833 3634
4.4 1.275 1867 3714
4.4 1.275 1867 3672
4.4 1.26525 1867 3742
4.4 1.26875 1867 3727
4.35 1.275 1867 3722
4.375 1.275 1867 3741
4.375 1.26875 1867 3741
4.375 1.26525 1867 3734
4.425 1.275 1867 3792
4.425 1.26875 1867 3786
4.425 1.275 1867 3859
4.425 1.275 1867 3878

To add this is not a fresh install on windows 10, this is a few years old and has things running in the background - I should probably test on a clean install!

To add general usage, web browsing etc.. the temp is sat at 35C

I'll see what I can do with the bios next, I have tried the latest beta and latest stable, seeing better DRAM latency on the beta.

 

[TNA]

3859 R20 score doesnt sit right for a R5 3600 @ 4.425Ghz, it should be over 4000. Id suggest that CPU overclock isnt quite stable.

Agreed. That should be around 4000. Mine is just shy of it at 4.4GHz.

By the way RAM makes pretty much no difference to cinebench. I went from 3200 to 3733 which saw a huge boost in scores for memory benchmarks, but made near enough zero difference to my scores with cinebench r20.

 

[M1k3H]

Agreed. That should be around 4000. Mine is just shy of it at 4.4GHz.

By the way RAM makes pretty much no difference to cinebench. I went from 3200 to 3733 which saw a huge boost in scores for memory benchmarks, but made near enough zero difference to my scores with cinebench r20.

I'm at 4.2GHz and mine is 3795, so his looks accurate.

At stock my score was 3189.

 

[TNA]

I'm at 4.2GHz and mine is 3795, so his looks accurate.

At stock my score was 3189.

I don’t know man. Why is mine and others getting a higher score?

Your stock score seems very low. Something not right there.

 

[gosa]

Agreed. That should be around 4000. Mine is just shy of it at 4.4GHz.

Yup... I got 3974 at 4.4GHz

 

[TNA]

I will be doing a fresh install of Windows soon which means I will also grab the latest chipset drivers. Will run it again and see if my score improves

 

[M1k3H]

I don’t know man. Why is mine and others getting a higher score?

Your stock score seems very low. Something not right there.

I don't know. Seems to be inline with other 3600s. I did update bios and chipset, and that was complete stock (not even XMP). I must have a below average chip, as my stock voltage was 1.47, so it was probably not boosting to anywhere near where it should have been. My stock temps were quite high if I recall around the high 80s , that was with just Cinebench.

Now I'm running it with 1.325, that was the lowest it would boot with 4.2GHz all core. Now my temps peak to 83C with 30-40 minutes of blender.

 

[TNA]

Seems to be inline with other 3600s

Could you link to this as I am sure stock is way better than that.

Just look here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/the-official-ocuk-cinebench-r20-benchmark-thread.18849380/

I will run a test sometime this week after I do a clean install of the latest version of windows.

 

[M1k3H]

Could you link to this as I am sure stock is way better than that.

Just look here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/the-official-ocuk-cinebench-r20-benchmark-thread.18849380/

I will run a test sometime this week after I do a clean install of the latest version of windows.

Some 3600s seem to be around 3500, even with overclocks, but others around the 4100 mark, so seems odd that there should be such a variation.

Could I have done something wrong?

I originally left the vcore at stock, which was quite high and played with multiplier (+1 each time). Every time I would run cinebench and 3dmark cpu, to check that I was improving my score. At multiplier 43 it would not boot, even with the vcore so high.

I then started playing with memory and fclk (keeping them 1:1). First I just went for XMP (3600MHz), then went up by 33MHz increments on the FCLK (1833->1867->1900->1933) with the DRAM matching that (3666->3733->3800->3866) and voltage set to 1.35V. At 1933MHz it would not boot at all, so reverted back to 1900MHZ FCLK and 3800MHz RAM speeds and left it at that.

I did try playing with timings but they would not go any lower than the auto ones. Anything I touched resulted in no boot. Current timings are 16-16-16-38.

System has been stable. I ran blender for 30-40 minutes and temps were stable at 83.8C. Cinebench multi-core benchmark only goes up to 74-75C.

Anything you can think of for me to try?

Just ran cinebench again and got 3771.

My stock result with just XMP was 3410, and totally stock 3189. All benchmarks were done with latest bios and chipset drivers (system was built last week).

 

[TNA]

Some 3600s seem to be around 3500, even with overclocks, but others around the 4100 mark, so seems odd that there should be such a variation.

Could I have done something wrong?

I originally left the vcore at stock, which was quite high and played with multiplier (+1 each time). Every time I would run cinebench and 3dmark cpu, to check that I was improving my score. At multiplier 43 it would not boot, even with the vcore so high.

I then started playing with memory and fclk (keeping them 1:1). First I just went for XMP (3600MHz), then went up by 33MHz increments on the FCLK (1833->1867->1900->1933) with the DRAM matching that (3666->3733->3800->3866) and voltage set to 1.35V. At 1933MHz it would not boot at all, so reverted back to 1900MHZ FCLK and 3800MHz RAM speeds and left it at that.

I did try playing with timings but they would not go any lower than the auto ones. Anything I touched resulted in no boot. Current timings are 16-16-16-38.

System has been stable. I ran blender for 30-40 minutes and temps were stable at 83.8C. Cinebench multi-core benchmark only goes up to 74-75C.

Anything you can think of for me to try?

Just ran cinebench again and got 3771.

My stock result with just XMP was 3410, and totally stock 3189. All benchmarks were done with latest bios and chipset drivers (system was built last week).

Are on a older mobo? Also can you try giving more voltage to see if that improves your scores?

As far as I know stock should score between 3600 and 3700 points in Cinebench R20. You are using that version right? Maybe post an image of your score.

 

[M1k3H]

Are on a older mobo? Also can you try giving more voltage to see if that improves your scores?

As far as I know stock should score between 3600 and 3700 points in Cinebench R20. You are using that version right? Maybe post an image of your score.

Mobo is X570 Unify. I will try that later today.

Trying to post the image and it's not working

 

[M1k3H]

Okay, just tried upping the voltage to 1.35 (from 1.325) and my score is 3701, slightly lower than 3757 before.

 

[TNA]

Okay, just tried upping the voltage to 1.35 (from 1.325) and my score is 3701, slightly lower than 3757 before.

Weird. so voltage or silicon quality seems to play a part somehow maybe?

Trying to post the image and it's not working

Just post the link to the image.

 

[M1k3H]

Weird. so voltage or silicon quality seems to play a part somehow maybe?



Just post the link to the image.

In both cases all cores go to 4.2GHz, so it definitely isn't throttling due to high temp. Temps are a bit higher (around 78C) with the increased voltage, but still okay.

There you go: https://imgur.com/a/HfWrT5d

Edit: some more information on a different metric. Benching the CPU with CPU-Z I get 514.3 and 4277.5 for single and multi-core respectively. Versus a stock 3700x I'm a bit quicker on single core (511) and slower on multi-core by 21% (I do have 25% less cores though). Seems okay?