Oh so you are happy with companies pandering to the lowest common denominator rather than true representation and change, that's fine I suppose.
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Hmmmm, kind of dispute the 'sell out' remark but that's perhaps another discussion for another time.
It's clear you yourself have a particular agenda you're trying to sell given some of your remarks in this thread, but you do you man. All I'm saying is that the shows issues begin and end with the quality of it's writing (the showrunners incidentally are all prolific white Hollywood bred males who arguably haven't made anything decent in over 25 years. It's a shame you're point about hiring on talent isn't also extended to them, or would that be counter to your point?)
You'll have to spell this out for me. What exactly is the lowest common denominator? I don't particularly care who they use in adverts. Use the blue man band for all I care.
I don't take anyone seriously that defends hiring based on diversity quotas. lol
Refer to previous posts for the reason for that comment, Episode 7 onwards was full of unnecessary filler, scenes and dialog for certain characters were padded out unnecessarily, probably to give them more screen time.
You'll have to point out where I defended hiring based on diversity quotas unless you're just pulling utter nonsense out of your rear end and arguing a point I never made?
I'm sure your previous posts justifying your unusual advice is all grounded in reality and has none of your bias within it. I'll pass, thank you.
A lot of nobody's are getting put in charge of huge productions right now, hiring based on political ideology rather than talent. It's all part of the same problem.
Also, I wouldn't expect the same hiring rules to to apply to all, that's the thing about virtue signalling, so long as they appear to support the current thing, that's all that matters.
you do realize that Netflix, Amazon and indeed most media company's make media for the WHOLE world not just your little part of the world. and "whites" are a minority in the world, so if anything "whites" are over represented in most media
Progressives
So on one hand it matters you see people like yourself in media, but on the other you don't care? Weird juxtaposition no?
They cater to the western world with their media output.
Why aren't you asking for more diversity in Bollywood for example, or Asian cinema?
The show is set in the UK, therefore it should represent the reality in the UK, not the whole world. I'd like to think most people want to see authentic representations of locations based on reality, not some lunatic leftist's wet dream.
I watch a lot of the foreign shows on Netflix, so glad many of them don't pander to this BS, especially Japanese, Chinese and Korean content.
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I don't see being progressive as being bad. it's odd why someone would think that things trying to change for the better of everyone could be a bad thing. Happy with how things are?Progressives
Not really that weird when you don't deal in absolutes.
I've always had the same view. Representation matters. I do think it's important that people from all different background/orientations see people like them within media being shown in a good (or rather not negative) light if nothing else that young kids will see themselves in something and think "yeah, acting could be a career path that I try and go down. There's people I identify with and they're doing well, that means I can too".
It also depends on what I am watching. The HBO show Chernobyl is probably my favourite TV series of the last 5 or so years. That is a non-fiction show based on real events. I can take the artistic license of giving mostly everyone British accents. What I wouldn't accept or perhaps what would've put me off the show is if suddenly there were black main characters or characters in general. I don't watch Downton Abbey so I am making assumptions but the same would be true for that. A period drama which is trying to be somewhat realistic would look silly if they introduced black aristocrats.
Fiction, however, is where things get interesting. If you're able to accept fictional works with a personification of Death and dealing with demons and so on, then I find it bizarre someone isn't able to get past having a few black characters. If the actors are doing a good job and the writing is done well, why does it matter? How can you accept all the other bits but a black/minority/LGBTQ character is a step too far?
It's even worse in the LoTR thread. People can accept wizards, dragons, walking trees and various made up races and have a good time. Make one of those made-up races black or a powerful woman and suddenly the fantasy is shattered and it must be torn apart.
So in short; if something is non-fiction and based on real events. You owe it to the story and to the viewers to be as realistic as possible. If something is based within fantasy and not trying to be 'real' then it doesn't matter who is being cast for what as long as the story is told well and the writing is good.
Thing is some of you would have made your mind up before even watching something to see how a story unfolds simply because it's too 'woke' but what they really meant is they didn't want to see any diversity.
the show is set in London and the south east (at leased the bits in England are) so i would say it does reflect those areas
I suppose it boils down to the messaging and generally how progressive types interact and treat others that dont agree with them. For me its also how tv shows have been co-opted to tell that message, just give me a good story rather preaching at me, I watch tv for escapism in the main. I also think its no coincidence that the more peoples difference are highlighted by progressive types the more we're drifting apart. its having the exact opposite effect they are hoping for.
By continually pushing a 50/50 narrative in diversity quotas that isnt representative of the western world all that's happening is that ****** actors are getting jobs based on the colour of their skin rather than being hired for simply being the best at what they do, I dont see that as a win as not only are they not very good at their job its being shown that you dont have to be a good actor to get hired.
No one has any issues with minorities/women in movies or tv shows that are based on fiction if its organically told, the issue arises with gender/race/sexuality swapping is when its not for organic purposes, rather as a 'virtue signaling' event. Take Sandman for instance and the gender swap of Constantine, no reason for it other than ideological purposes, luckily I didn't make it to ep 3 instead I found the story dull and tiresome just on the 2 I watched, I might have had more of an affinity to it if I had read the graphic novel it was based on though.
There's nothing wrong with wanting an authentic retelling of beloved fantasy/sci fi novels, especially as in LotR's case the creator gave strict rules and descriptions of how that world worked. Hell, the amazon rings of power series is a prime example of changing elements to appeal to the 'woke' brigade. Which is a shame.
Based on census numbers discussed earlier which were based on nationality and not race, if we assume they were all black and 2/3 lived in London, then around 0.2% of population of London was black at the time, and as you pointed out, some of the series was outside London, Surrey I believe.
For the whole country it's 0.05, regardless of how you look at it, unless you're in a very specific neighbourhood, you're not gonna see a whole lot of black people.
I agree. Just give a good story as that is ultimately why we watch tv/films
Fiction doesn't need to be a representative of anything. It's not based in reality. But I disagree with what you are saying. Of course in a scenario where someone was just plucked from the streets and hired to check a box, sure they'd not but great in that instance. My issue is this; Now this may not be you so don't take it as a direct criticism. The issue we keep seeing is that as soon as someone who isn't a white male has been cast, it must just be because of diversity. It's always immediately "oh it's done to appease the woke brigade" in some instances, they can't win. What if that person who just happens to be X was cast because, shock horror, they were the best person that applied? It's never viewed that way though it's always viewed through the lens of "they're doing it to be woke". So in some peoples eyes it doesn't matter how good they are. They just see X and assume it was done to tick a box.
That's one of my biggest issues. They're, in some peoples views, are never there on merit. They're there cause the tick a box and that's all they'll ever be.
If you haven't read/don't care for the graphic novel why would you care if a character had been changed race/sex? What a weird complaint. You shouldn't have even been able to notice they had elements changed of their character as that would've been your first introduction to them.
It shouldn't matter though. If, and it is a big if, the writing is up the scratch within LoTR it shouldn't matter if there are black hobbits (ignoring Harfoots are described as brown skinned). Having diversity within the show will not be the cause of it's success or failure. That is going to be purely down to the writing firstly and the acting following that.
Now if every episode is based around some sort of identity politics or isms and skisms then sure I'd believe a bit more in the woke-boogeyman. Just having an inclusive and diverse cast doesn't mean something will turn out rubbish.
so why don't netflix ask for diversity in their korean series? you know the ones where every single member of the cast are all the same race.
people defending it claimed but it was filmed around london is reaching and grasping at straws....
if the next star trek is filmed in london should everyone have a cockney accent , use rhyming slang, no aliens etc? no one is limited to local actors.... maybe the runners etc will be locals though and there's your boost for the local area.
Klingons are mad racist bro, they depict black people as nothing more than people driven by violence, cancel star trek
That's not just something that's been applicable to black or minority actors though, every pretty boy actor has had that to some degree. The best actors, regardless of race, rise above peoples preconceived notions.
Take Idris Alba for example and the vast majority or people were touting him to be the next James Bond for a very long time (you had a minuscule minority of people say Bond shouldn't be a black man), but most people wanted him because he's a good actor and one suave mother ****** and a good looking man to boot - personally I had reservations over whether or not he can do justice to an action orientated role but that was the same preconceived notions people had about Daniel Craig before he got the part.
Because I'm aware of the character through other dc properties?
Well its the chicken end the egg scenario isn't it, are these shows such as WoT/Witcher/Cowboy Bebop bad because of hiring talentless hacks or are they bad because the showrunners and or actors involved prioritise woke aspects over good storytelling such as Peacemaker/The Boys/Stranger Things. In my opinion its no coincidence that the bad shows are focused on this aspect over telling a good story, you can often tell which is which as all the focus by those involved prior to release will be about diversity/lgb issues and/or strong women, the ideology comes 1st. Rings of power is following this narrative.
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Its alright till about episode 7 or 8 there is one episode where they are going round handing out flyers for about 40 minutes it goes nowhere and its supposed to be Florida but you can tell its England.
Because it would be weird for even Netflix for a Korean drama to be full of White or Black people.
why would it be weird? they are filmed for a mostly western audience since that's where the majority of netflix users are
Sranger Things had way too less black people as well and almost no LGBTQ representation.
just one lesbian and one two gay I think? disgraceful how unrealistic
Interesting you say that because the BBC and Channel 4 did a report on the lack of diversity in the England's women team they interviewed some Black girls and they said they could not get behind the Team because there was no one who looked like them but if a white person said i can't get into Basketball because there is not enough white people playing there would be outrage.